Ah, good slavery, yes. Here's some footage about that:

http://youtu.be/2MFmC6BD1B4

Dudes enslaving different skin colored dudes because those dudes are sub-dudes yeah ancient way of thinking.

(March 5, 2015 at 9:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 5, 2015 at 8:39 pm)abaris Wrote: For real? Coral Castle? Why not bigfoot or the Canterville ghost?

Couldn't figure out what I was getting at? It's not like the sites are made up, look up the locations for yourself. The point was (because everything must be spelled out for you group of "critical thinkers"), are those sites as they relate to the geometric pattern of "ley lines' just coincidence?

Yes. Statistically, mapping such lines is trivial since they were first coined in England, which has a shitload of interesting historical monuments. A line started from any such point will likely clip through another due to the density of such sites in such a small geographic area.

In other words, it's new age mystical bullshit that people buy into because they're ignorant of both history and math. Par for the course when it comes to theism.

Also, zoom out enough on a map and fatten the line up enough, and you'll find that a line in most any direction will pass through multiple monuments.

(March 6, 2015 at 4:32 am)Nestor Wrote: Obviously a citizen (in this case, a person belonging to a tribe of Yaho) who happened to be poor and offer his services or one of his family members as a payment of debt (I sincerely hope this isn't a practice you're attempting to justify) is not quite the same thing as owning captured foreigners and selling/trading/using them as property, which Yaho's people also did. When you cite verses prohibiting murder that appear to contradict those involving cases where a slave was beaten and then died later, you're ignoring the fact that one law was given as a contract between Hebrews and their allies, another given for enemies and foreign slaves.

I cited the 10 commandments, you're familiar with "thou shalt not kill" right? To murder someone was a capital offense. Show me where it states in the Bible where if you beat a "servant" and he died later, it was fine.

Also I stated that this practice still exist in Haiti. I realize it's easy for you to pass judgement on other cultures while you live a life of privilege, but let me ask you a yes or no question.

In Haiti 78% of people are below the poverty line and 54% live in extreme poverty. My Haitian Mother-in-law has live in servants, they do house work in exchange for food and shelter, they do this by choice because otherwise they would starve (no welfare in Haiti). the question is, do you consider this to be immoral? yes or no?

(March 6, 2015 at 4:32 am)Nestor Wrote: Eh, no, that's not quite how it worked, bud.
http://tifwe.org/resources/five-myths-about-jubilee/

Poor and/or foreign slaves weren't freed and debts weren't forgiven (that would be so nice though, wouldn't it?)

So you found a dummy on the internet? Using that logic, I could say the holocaust was faked.
http://www.therealistreport.com/2014/03/...faked.html
see?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jubilee

Quote:ju·bi·lee
(jo͞o′bə-lē′, jo͞o′bə-lē′)
n.
1.a. A specially celebrated anniversary, especially a 50th anniversary.
b. The celebration of such an anniversary.
2. A season or occasion of joyful celebration.
3. Jubilation; rejoicing.
4. often Jubilee Bible In the Hebrew Scriptures, a year of rest to be observed by the Israelites every 50th year, during which slaves were to be set free, alienated property restored to the former owners, and the lands left untilled.

The Bible clearly states.

Quote:Leviticus 25:10
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

Quote:Leviticus 25
25 If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.
26 And if the man have none to redeem it, and himself be able to redeem it;
27 Then let him count the years of the sale thereof, and restore the overplus unto the man to whom he sold it; that he may return unto his possession.
28 But if he be not able to restore it to him, then that which is sold shall remain in the hand of him that hath bought it until the year of jubile: and in the jubile it shall go out, and he shall return unto his possession.

This is Hebrew LAW, not suggestions. To transgress the law willfully was death. I already showed where holding a person against their will was death.
Now you show me where it states in the Bible that everyone was to go free on Jubilee except foreigners.

You guys love to pick and choose what you accept in the Bible, either accept it all or accept none of it? If you're suggesting the Law never existed, then Indentured servitude didn't exist either.

(March 6, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I cited the 10 commandments, you're familiar with "thou shalt not kill" right? To murder someone was a capital offense. Show me where it states in the Bible where if you beat a "servant" and he died later, it was fine.

I thought this was already spelled out for you.
Exodus 21:20-21: "20If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property."

I'm sure you've heard the Old Testament principle, "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth," yes? Well, it didn't apply to a person's property, which a slave was. In that case, the slave was freed rather than direct punishment being served to the offender.
Exodus 21:26-27
"26If a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave, and destroys it, he shall let him go free on account of his eye. 27And if he knocks out a tooth of his male or female slave, he shall let him go free on account of his tooth."

So, please, stop taking verses out of context:

(March 6, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Also I stated that this practice still exist in Haiti. I realize it's easy for you to pass judgement on other cultures while you live a life of privilege, but let me ask you a yes or no question.

In Haiti 78% of people are below the poverty line and 54% live in extreme poverty. My Haitian Mother-in-law has live in servants, they do house work in exchange for food and shelter, they do this by choice because otherwise they would starve (no welfare in Haiti). the question is, do you consider this to be immoral? yes or no?

If it is voluntary and humane work, no, I don't think that is immoral. I also don't think that is slavery or the practice outlined in the Old Testament for non-Hebrew slaves, who themselves and their families, including their children, became the permanent possession of the Israelites:
Leviticus 25:44-46
"44As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. 45Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. 46You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another." (emphasis mine)

(March 6, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So you found a dummy on the internet? Using that logic, I could say the holocaust was faked.
http://www.therealistreport.com/2014/03/...faked.html
see?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jubilee

Quote:ju·bi·lee
(jo͞o′bə-lē′, jo͞o′bə-lē′)
n.
1.a. A specially celebrated anniversary, especially a 50th anniversary.
b. The celebration of such an anniversary.
2. A season or occasion of joyful celebration.
3. Jubilation; rejoicing.
4. often Jubilee Bible In the Hebrew Scriptures, a year of rest to be observed by the Israelites every 50th year, during which slaves were to be set free, alienated property restored to the former owners, and the lands left untilled.

The Bible clearly states.

Quote:Leviticus 25:10
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

Quote:Leviticus 25
25 If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.
26 And if the man have none to redeem it, and himself be able to redeem it;
27 Then let him count the years of the sale thereof, and restore the overplus unto the man to whom he sold it; that he may return unto his possession.
28 But if he be not able to restore it to him, then that which is sold shall remain in the hand of him that hath bought it until the year of jubile: and in the jubile it shall go out, and he shall return unto his possession.

This is Hebrew LAW, not suggestions. To transgress the law willfully was death. I already showed where holding a person against their will was death.
Now you show me where it states in the Bible that everyone was to go free on Jubilee except foreigners.

You guys love to pick and choose what you accept in the Bible, either accept it all or accept none of it? If you're suggesting the Law never existed, then Indentured servitude didn't exist either.

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index...umstantial

https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=straw+man

Those are some terms you should learn. I gave you the verses that spell out the difference between non-Hebrews and Hebrews and given that they're in the same chapter, you should probably have noticed them. Just because you decided not to deal with the arguments in the link I posted, which come from "a Scholar-in-Residence at the C.S. Lewis Institute," (doesn't exactly sound like the author's bias would be in my favor) and instead opted to commit the fallacy of ad hominem circumstantial and repeat yourself, doesn't actually translate into you having refuted the arguments set forth. Thus, I take it as a concession on your part that they still stand.

(March 6, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You guys love to pick and choose what you accept in the Bible, either accept it all or accept none of it?

This thread should be renamed.

My vote is "Huggy's Wild Goose Chase"
or
"Huggy Probes the Depths of Intellectual Dishonesty"

Huggy is a ley line, coral castle, ancient astronaut, Christian New Agey woo-ist.

Anyone for "angel" therapy, healing crystals or Sasquatch Hunting? (What gun do you use to hunt Sasquatch? A freakin' 12-gauge, what do you think?)

Not much to see here.