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Atheism is the belief that this universe was created by Entropy and Chaos. That magically some atoms came together and formed the big bang - and everything syncronize that happened afterwards was just coincidence.
Agnostics: Believe in the chance that this universe was created by intelligent design (possibly by other mortal beings) but to us they are gods since they are probably so intellegent that they see everything and anything you do (like a god does).
Theists : believe in same thing as agnostics except they think this universe was created by the source (the original GOD) and that we were NOT SEEDED.
(March 7, 2015 at 10:13 pm)theGays Wrote: Atheism is the belief that this universe was created by Entropy and Chaos. That magically some atoms came together and formed the big bang - and everything syncronize that happened afterwards was just coincidence.
No, atheism as is accepted generally today is a lack of belief in any deity whatsoever. That's it.
March 7, 2015 at 10:19 pm (This post was last modified: March 7, 2015 at 10:19 pm by CapnAwesome.)
(March 7, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Well, I was once an atheist...and the beautiful atheists I've met along my journey in faith, is an experience I'd never trade. Not everyone can emotionally handle atheism. I was one such person. No one can prove that a deity exists, but it brings me some sense of comfort to know one just might exist. Deism resonates with me now, more than theism.
Everyone has to find their own way.
You became a Deist? That's okay, Deism is cool in my book.
March 8, 2015 at 12:49 am (This post was last modified: March 8, 2015 at 12:52 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(March 7, 2015 at 9:45 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:
First I would have to come to grips with the fact that in spite of a decline in religious attendance and participation atheism isn’t a growing movement. It’s not just an issue of popularity. There are many unpopular beliefs and facts that are believed because of a preponderance of evidence in their favor, not because the belief is popular. Many popular beliefs have been abandoned do to evidence against them. Considering many atheists equate belief in God with belief in Santa Claus how is it they’re not gaining any traction? If the existence of God were as implausible as the existence of Santa Claus then there should be as many atheists as those who don’t believe in Santa Claus. If atheists know something that leads them to conclude belief in God is equivalent to belief in Santa they are keeping it a well-guarded secret or they are dismal failures in communication. The question is what are atheists doing wrong? Why aren’t they expressing their viewpoint in a way that actually persuades people? I suspect some atheists enjoy being contrary and being part of a small often loathed minority. Some atheists just like to think there much smarter than most and therefore their belief isn’t for the gullible masses.
How would I approach the debate were I an atheist?
1. Drop the ‘I’m a weak-atheist’ strategy.
I’d go further and criticize those who refer to themselves as weak atheists. If atheists can’t convince others who call themselves atheists that God doesn’t exist just as an opinion and not as a fact, how can they possibly convince someone who believes in the existence of God that God doesn’t exist? I know many atheists refer to themselves as weak atheists only so they can say they make no claim about whether God exists and therefore they have no burden of evidence. The upshot is it makes the case in favor of atheism so weak even those who call themselves atheists won’t opine that God doesn’t exist. I think the claim made by atheists they only lack belief in the existence of God is bogus, in reality it is there opinion that God doesn’t exist.
2. Drop linking belief in Santa to belief in God argument.
It’s a silly argument on the face of it. If belief in God were akin to belief in Santa Claus (or fairies, invisible pink elephants and so on) then why doesn’t 80% of the population believe in Santa Claus? If belief in God is as silly as belief in Santa Claus they need to explain why lucid sane adults don’t believe in Santa Claus but do believe in God? Secondly there is an overwhelming preponderance of evidence that a mystical person known as Santa who delivers presents worldwide on Christmas is easy to debunk and disprove. If belief in God is akin to belief in Santa how can there be weak atheists who only lack belief in God? Do atheists think Santa may exist but they merely lack that belief?
3. Drop the bashing, marginalizing and demonizing of believers.
I know such tactics make a big splash with fellow atheists but it does nothing for those sitting on the fence and are interested in an actual debate between atheists and theists. It makes atheists look petty, smug and arrogant and that they can’t make a factual argument from the evidence.
If I were an atheist (a real atheist that actually believes and claims God doesn’t exist) I would clearly state such a belief is an opinion. It’s what I think is true but acknowledge I’m not certain of it. That’s what an opinion is, a statement you have reason to believe is true but can’t be certain is true. I don’t know of any atheists claiming it’s a fact God doesn’t exist so it must be a belief that God doesn’t exist so why the animosity towards others who have a difference of opinion? If I ran an atheist board I would welcome theists to the board, respect their difference of opinion but share the facts and evidence I believe challenges that belief.
-There is no direct evidence a Creator caused the universe.
-The laws of physics over vast periods of time appear to have caused all the things we observe including our own existence.
-Much of the universe appears to be chaotic and unguided.
-Evolution appears to account for how living things developed on going complexity.
Therefore was I an atheist I would argue from those facts God doesn’t exist which ironically means I’m making a better argument than most atheists make. I wouldn't antagonize anyone, bash them over the head, question their sanity, just make the case and let it go at that.
... and if I were a theist, I'd avoid condescension, projection, straw men, and worrying so much about what others think of my faith that I couldn't shut my piehole for love nor money.
Atheism will never catch on or grow really. Atheism is generally for middle class or higher westerners, and generally for white people.
Atheism could never catch on in SouthAmerica, Africa, Oriental Countries, India or even Russia.
The reason is atheism is all about hating other religions. And therefore when a theist argues with an atheist, it becomes a pissing argument. All that happened now is the theist is more commited to his believe and the atheist is more angry at theists.
Meanwhile Islam continues to grow in numbers, as does christianity and many other religions.
Atheism is a niche market, kinda like the hipster liberal movement. It's the cool thing to be in the 21st century - but in the big scheme of things (we're talking about milleniums" - theism is KING! Not even science can compete against it, in fact science will likely buckle and try to prove that GOD exists centuries from now (due to pressures by theists).
(March 7, 2015 at 10:12 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Well, I was once an atheist...and the beautiful atheists I've met along my journey in faith, is an experience I'd never trade. Not everyone can emotionally handle atheism. I was one such person. No one can prove that a deity exists, but it brings me some sense of comfort to know one just might exist. Deism resonates with me now, more than theism.
Everyone has to find their own way.
You became a Deist? That's okay, Deism is cool in my book.
That's good.
What's rather cool about it is that it's about reason and not about religion.
(March 7, 2015 at 10:19 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You became a Deist? That's okay, Deism is cool in my book.
That's good.
What's rather cool about it is that it's about reason and not about religion.
Well to me the important thing has always been religion, not actually belief. When someone becomes religious they subject themselves to group think. Deism doesn't do that, nor agnostics.
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