Not only are Yahweh and Allah the same god-- they are the same god as Zeus, Thor, and thousands of others gods that have come and gone: they are all equally fictitious.

(August 31, 2010 at 12:01 am)Entropist Wrote: Not only are Yahweh and Allah the same god-- they are the same god as Zeus, Thor, and thousands of others gods that have come and gone: they are all equally fictitious.

As good as that sounds it makes no sense what you are saying. By that logic Darth Vader and "The little train That Could" are the same.

(August 30, 2010 at 5:47 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

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(August 29, 2010 at 9:22 am)fr0d0 Wrote: In xtianity, there is one God and no others Zen. He is tripartate, sure, he isn't 3 gods ever, only one.

Angels are not "God like" at all. They're spiritual beings ≠ God. Satan is a fallen angel.

It's noted in xtianity that people worship other gods. That doesn't include them as Christians but people who have different beliefs.

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So if satan is not equal to god why does god allow him to continue?

Either god is incapable of defeating him, which suggests that satan is equal to god.

Or god is unwilling to, which implies that god is allowing satan to do what he does. Thusly encouraging evil.

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So you agree that Christianity is monotheistic now I take it Zen?

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(August 30, 2010 at 10:06 pm)Ashendant Wrote:

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The bible is a inconsistent has the Qu'ran, and Islamic religion says that muslims jews and christians worship the same god, just because some christians believe it is not so(which is a stupid point since islam was built after christianity) doesn't make it any wronger

They worship the same god, admit it and shut up.

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Read from the top Ash and try not to repeat what anna has said without thinking.

(August 31, 2010 at 12:01 am)Entropist Wrote: Not only are Yahweh and Allah the same god-- they are the same god as Zeus, Thor, and thousands of others gods that have come and gone: they are all equally fictitious.

What a fascinating and unusual point of view.

I wait with baited breath for the evidence on which you've based such a conclusion.

(August 31, 2010 at 4:37 am)fr0d0 Wrote: So you agree that Christianity is monotheistic now I take it Zen?

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My point being that satan is a god equal to yahweh.

And counts as such in the christian pantheon.

(August 31, 2010 at 5:37 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(August 31, 2010 at 4:37 am)fr0d0 Wrote: So you agree that Christianity is monotheistic now I take it Zen?

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My point being that satan is a god equal to yahweh.

And counts as such in the christian pantheon.

Really,and what it the basis for your conclusion? Just curious,as it's not one I've heard before in a contemporary Christian context. My understanding is Satan is not even a god,per se,but a fallen angel (aka Lucifer) who was created by god.


In much of Christian iconography,Satan is actually Pan, a minor Greek nature god.

Beezelebub (lord of the flies) may have been based on Moloch,a rather nasty Babylonian god .Baa'l is another name for Satan yet is a title meaning Lord,not a proper name.

My point is that there in no consensus about the origin or nature of Satan/Lucifer/Shaitan/The Devil.


A common explanation:

Quote:Satan (Hebrew: הַשָׂטָן ha-Satan ("the accuser")[citation needed] ; Persian "sheytân"; Arabic: الشيطان ash-Shayṭān ("the adversary") - both from the Semitic root: Ś-Ṭ-N) is an embodiment of antagonism that originates from the Abrahamic religions, being traditionally considered a "fallen" angel in Judeo-Christian belief, and a Jinn in Islamic belief. Originally, the term was used as a title for various entities (humans, accusing angels, etc.) that challenged the religious faith of humans in the Hebrew Bible.[1] Since then, the Abrahamic religions have used "Satan" as a name for the Devil.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

(August 31, 2010 at 5:59 am)padraic Wrote: Really,and what it the basis for your conclusion? Just curious,as it's not one I've heard before in a contemporary Christian context. My understanding is Satan is not even a god,per se,but a fallen angel (aka Lucifer) who was created by god.

Since god is apparently incapable of controlling or defeating satan, it follows that satan is equal in

capabilities to god.

So looking at christianity from the outside it isn't a monotheistic religion as you can count at least two gods, plus all of the sub dieties.

(Remembering of course that it like arguing about who is tougher, Batman or Spiderman)

God continually defeats Satan. Satan is defeated. Satan exists because God exists, as a contrasting force of negativity. Negativity doesn't exist of itself but because positivity can be detracted from.

Monotheism = a theology containing one God.
Polytheism = a theology containing more than one god.

Quote:God continually defeats Satan. Satan is defeated.

When I look at the world, It seems to me its the other way around.
or you are right but satan and god have different characteristics.....

(August 31, 2010 at 3:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: God continually defeats Satan. Satan is defeated.

And how is satan defeated? Since it appears that he is still able to go about his nefarious activities.

Quote: Satan exists because God exists, as a contrasting force of negativity. Negativity doesn't exist of itself but because positivity can be detracted from.

What does that statement even mean?

Quote:Monotheism = a theology containing one God.
Polytheism = a theology containing more than one god.

I'm well aware of the differences, but christianity and islam are still polytheistic religions because they have more than one deity.(to us there isn't a great deal of difference between a minor god and an angel.

To my knowledge the only truly monotheistic religion is Sikhism.