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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 18, 2015 at 11:57 am
I played b-ball with the Holy Spirit once. He brought it in weak and I was like BAM! Denied!
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm
(April 18, 2015 at 11:43 am)Alex K Wrote: @Alpha male
Denying the holy spirit is traditionally perceived as a deadly sin.
Sure, but I've never met someone who was sinless except for that, and the claim I responded to said "just for."
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 18, 2015 at 7:26 pm
(August 20, 2014 at 1:46 am)PhiloTech Wrote: In all my time in real life and online I have noticed something about those that are deeply religious. They lack character and I can only think of few exceptions to this.
That is a generalization best avoided unless you have solid data to back it up. You'll find even more theists who will the same thing about atheists. Both must be held to the same standard.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 19, 2015 at 3:19 am
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(April 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 18, 2015 at 11:43 am)Alex K Wrote: @Alpha male
Denying the holy spirit is traditionally perceived as a deadly sin. Sure, but I've never met someone who was sinless except for that, and the claim I responded to said "just for." That's a very cheap cop out.
So you're claiming the above is not really saying that denying the holy spirit gets you punished, it's just a general symptom of sinfulness and not by itself a deadly sin? Man, the lengths you Christians go to twist the words of your God's until they suit you...
Quote:Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 19, 2015 at 3:28 am
I'm pretty sure I'm entirely sinless except for that one time I fucked the holy spirit in the ass. Am I cool?
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 19, 2015 at 3:34 am
(April 19, 2015 at 3:28 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm entirely sinless except for that one time I fucked the holy spirit in the ass. Am I cool?
Really? The "It was the holy spirit, honey" excuse? That's like the oldest one in the book...
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 19, 2015 at 3:43 am
It just happened 
That's a rock solid excuse for any sexual adventure.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 19, 2015 at 6:06 am
(April 19, 2015 at 3:19 am)Alex K Wrote: That's a very cheap cop out. No, it's not.
Quote:So you're claiming the above is not really saying that denying the holy spirit gets you punished,
No, I didn't say that at all.
Quote:it's just a general symptom of sinfulness and not by itself a deadly sin?
No, I didn't say that either.
Quote:Man, the lengths you Christians go to twist the words of your God's until they suit you...
Says the person twisting my words until they suit him.
Quote:Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
This is the error. We were talking about judgment. Now you bring in forgiveness. They're two different things, but you conflate them.
Judgment is based on all your sins. The greatest commandment is to love god, but the second greatest is to love your neighbor as yourself. If you haven't loved your neighbor as yourself, then don't pretend you're going to hell just for unbelief.
Forgiveness is a function of mercy. God can grant mercy on any condition he chooses. He chooses belief (and as noted, not mere belief in his existence, but rather faith in Christ's work on the cross).
That mercy is based only on faith does not mean that the judgment for which you need mercy was based only on lack of faith.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 19, 2015 at 7:34 am
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(April 19, 2015 at 6:06 am)alpha male Wrote: That mercy is based only on faith does not mean that the judgment for which you need mercy was based only on lack of faith. That you call your deity perfectly just does not mean that there is anything remotely just in the equivocal terms of forgiveness, mercy, and judgement you Christians like to employ.
(April 19, 2015 at 6:06 am)alpha male Wrote: God can grant mercy on any condition he chooses. He chooses belief Either you believe in a very stupid God, or God has very stupid followers.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 19, 2015 at 7:57 am
(April 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 18, 2015 at 11:43 am)Alex K Wrote: @Alpha male
Denying the holy spirit is traditionally perceived as a deadly sin.
Sure, but I've never met someone who was sinless except for that, and the claim I responded to said "just for."
Sorry I didn't mean to misrepresent what you said. So what do you mean by that?!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
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