(April 27, 2015 at 9:13 am)Riketto Wrote: A difficult and knotty question even for God arise.
Suppose God create a beautiful environment for you to live as it was
in the beginning.

So is this something that I got to see him do?  Or is it something you claim he did thousands or millions of years ago?  Am I the one that despoiled his creation, or am I bearing the silent blame for someone else's misdeed, one which they paid for long ago with their own lives?

You keep going back and forth on this, without realizing that unless god makes his presence known your examples are just more of the same: presuming that god exists and that he refuses to talk to his beloved children, even though he desperately wishes for them all to have a relationship with him.  He comes across as a petty and selfish and cowardly person.  I'm glad he doesn't exist, because if he did all of the other gods would be giving him holy wedgies and stealing his lunch money all day long.

God is a sock wobbler.

(April 27, 2015 at 9:32 am)Stimbo Wrote: If my teenage son went around misrepresenting me, my words, my character, my opinions etc, the way you insist religions have done with your pet god, you bet your life I'm going to do something about it. Why doesn't this god? You're correct that one of us never thought of it though.

Stim.
There is something that you really never thought about it and that is when your son is a teen or below
it would be like us be plants or animals.
During this time in this particular stage of creation we wouldn't be able to exit that corral of low consciousness.
It is when we make the big jump in consciousness and become humans that we exit this corral of low consciousness
and we can decide what path to follow.
As a teen under this way of growing your son could not possibly misrepresenting you therefore your point is invalid.
A tiger kill to eat and surviving and because that is the only way for her to deal with life not because she hate the pray.
Man on the other hand don't always follow mother nature although he got enough consciousness to deal with life in a
way that doesn't upset God.
Religions are like grown up adults so whatever they do wrong they will have to deal with the karma law not with God
so to speak. 

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(April 27, 2015 at 10:17 am)Tonus Wrote:

(April 27, 2015 at 9:13 am)Riketto Wrote: A difficult and knotty question even for God arise.
Suppose God create a beautiful environment for you to live as it was
in the beginning.

So is this something that I got to see him do?  Or is it something you claim he did thousands or millions of years ago?  Am I the one that despoiled his creation, or am I bearing the silent blame for someone else's misdeed, one which they paid for long ago with their own lives?

You keep going back and forth on this, without realizing that unless god makes his presence known your examples are just more of the same: presuming that god exists and that he refuses to talk to his beloved children, even though he desperately wishes for them all to have a relationship with him.  He comes across as a petty and selfish and cowardly person.  I'm glad he doesn't exist, because if he did all of the other gods would be giving him holy wedgies and stealing his lunch money all day long.

1) You could well be the guy that in a previous life did some damage.
How would you know?
2) You presume that God doesn't want to talk to you.
I already talked about this in depth and i explained you why.
Just check the old post. 

So god would blame my current incarnation for something my previous incarnation did, even though there appears to be no connection between the two?  If I can't recall that previous life and it does not inform my actions now, how could you even tell that we are a different version of the same person?  It's almost as if reincarnation is bullshit!

Second, I don't presume that god does or doesn't want to do anything.  I presume that god doesn't exist.  You keep explaining why it only seems as if he doesn't exist, while admitting that you can't prove he does.  Your explanations, as I have shown, make a very poor case for the idea that god exists, by making him appear to be a complete spaz.  I'm wondering which is worse: not believing that god is real, or believing that he is and he happens to be a cosmic dork.

There is actually a very good reason I haven't thought about this the same way as prikky. Mainly I'm not trying to sell an imaginary product in the least convincing way possible, so I'm not compelled simply to shit out herring of all colours in the desperate hope that we won't notice that there's nothing to sell and never was.

Another is that I'm not batshit insane, of course.

There was a long period in my life where I did, in fact, believe in God.

I feel as though I am one of the lucky ones that didn't have parents that thrust religion onto me as a child. Yes, we went to church every now and again, and I went to Bible camp more than once throughout my youth. However, my parents were never the ones to make me pray or make me sing or anything like that. As I grew older, they respected my decision to not attend church. Perhaps they knew that I was beginning to doubt religion, or they may have thought that I was just too lazy to go (which is more likely).

Now that I am an independent young adult and have had more time to question and ponder what it is that I believe, I have concluded that I do not believe that god (or gods) exist. I am not one of those that will try and deconvert my peers, or get angry when they forsake me for my lack of belief. I have found that at the end of the day, people are always going to be intolerant of what and who I am. If that is the case, then they do not deserve to call themselves my friends or to even take up my time with useless conversation. But I digress.

So to answer this question simply...no, I do not believe in god.

(April 27, 2015 at 11:20 am)Tonus Wrote:

Quote:So god would blame my current incarnation for something my previous incarnation did, even though there appears to be no connection between the two?  If I can't recall that previous life and it does not inform my actions now, how could you even tell that we are a different version of the same person?  It's almost as if reincarnation is bullshit!

I am glad that you said.......there appear to be no connection between the two........ and not there is no connection between the two.
You just did a step forward Ton by not claiming things without having solid evidence.
As far as the fact that we don't recall previous lives my believe is that there is a very good reason for.
To remember the past prevent us from going forward.
Suppose that in a previous life you did something very bad.
In this life you would think about that bad thing time and time again and this would fill your mind with a sense of guilt which again would be
a big problem for you.
By not remember previous things we are free to build something positive in this life.

Quote:Second, I don't presume that god does or doesn't want to do anything.  I presume that god doesn't exist.  You keep explaining why it only seems as if he doesn't exist, while admitting that you can't prove he does.  Your explanations, as I have shown, make a very poor case for the idea that god exists, by making him appear to be a complete spaz.  I'm wondering which is worse: not believing that god is real, or believing that he is and he happens to be a cosmic dork.

The reason why i say that can not be proven is because i am dealing with people that only believe in a physical-mental way.
God is not something physical-mental but something much more subtle and great that goes well behind the world of physicality
therefore it would be a waste of time to push my belief considering that you wouldn't understand. 

(April 29, 2015 at 7:19 am)Riketto Wrote: The reason why i say that can not be proven is because i am dealing with people that only believe in a physical-mental way.
God is not something physical-mental but something much more subtle and great that goes well behind the world of physicality
therefore it would be a waste of time to push my belief considering that you wouldn't understand. 

Ok, so can we then agree that your God doesn't exist in the usual sense of the word?

(April 27, 2015 at 6:34 pm)Jericho Wrote: There was a long period in my life where I did, in fact, believe in God.

I feel as though I am one of the lucky ones that didn't have parents that thrust religion onto me as a child.  Yes, we went to church every now and again, and I went to Bible camp more than once throughout my youth.  However, my parents were never the ones to make me pray or make me sing or anything like that.  As I grew older, they respected my decision to not attend church.  Perhaps they knew that I was beginning to doubt religion, or they may have thought that I was just too lazy to go (which is more likely).

Now that I am an independent young adult and have had more time to question and ponder what it is that I believe, I have concluded that I do not believe that god (or gods) exist.  I am not one of those that will try and deconvert my peers, or get angry when they forsake me for my lack of belief.  I have found that at the end of the day, people are always going to be intolerant of what and who I am.  If that is the case, then they do not deserve to call themselves my friends or to even take up my time with useless conversation.  But I digress.

So to answer this question simply...no, I do not believe in god.

Agree.
People shouldn't be intolerant just because they do not agree with your belief.
To me is all a question of be ready to learn things.
If people are not ready they probably will be in the future.
It is all up to them.
If eventually they miss the train to happiness nothing is really lost.
It is just a delay in finding happiness. 

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(April 29, 2015 at 7:24 am)Alex K Wrote:

(April 29, 2015 at 7:19 am)Riketto Wrote: The reason why i say that can not be proven is because i am dealing with people that only believe in a physical-mental way.
God is not something physical-mental but something much more subtle and great that goes well behind the world of physicality
therefore it would be a waste of time to push my belief considering that you wouldn't understand. 

Ok, so can we then agree that your God doesn't exist in the usual sense of the word?

Your sense of the word is different from mine.
Gold does not exist until you are interested in finding it.
It doesn't show to you were it is.
It is up to you to put the effort to find it.
God work in the same way.
There is no point in telling you that God exist if you are not
interested in him.
It is only when there is some interest in God that the sense of the word
take a different meaning. 

(April 29, 2015 at 7:32 am)Riketto Wrote:

(April 29, 2015 at 7:24 am)Alex K Wrote: Ok, so can we then agree that your God doesn't exist in the usual sense of the word?

Your sense of the word is different from mine.
Gold does not exist until you are interested in finding it.
It doesn't show to you were it is.
It is up to you to put the effort to find it.
God work in the same way.
There is no point in telling you that God exist if you are not
interested in him.
It is only when there is some interest in God that the sense of the word
take a different meaning. 

So god is a mental construct.
Thank you for admitting it.
Doesn't exist until your mind conjures it up. You can then use language to convey that concept that your mind made up and try to implant that concept in another mind... that other mind's concept of god will be slightly different from yours, but it doesn't matter.
Each mind should have its own god concept.

Doesn't mean it exists out of human minds...