(June 14, 2015 at 8:28 pm)bennyboy Wrote: We shouldn't consider them women, because they aren't women. 

Would you take offence if people don't consider you a real man?

I always thought gender was with what label one chooses to identify oneself according to one's feeling of accordance with the current cultural ideas about that label, whereas one's sex is simply the genitalia one possesses (which isn't even simply a binary male-or-female in that case as well, since plenty of intersex people have been born).

Is it something more complicated than that?

Yes, you're missing that gender identity is formed at a young age, but also that gender dysphoria is a separate condition caused by brain structure and chemical stuff, which was what I was referring to, having the earlier discussion in mind, sorry for not clarifying that

Fair enough. I'm pretty ignorant on all the minutia of gender identity and labels and such in a scientific sense, as most of my philosophy regarding the subject pretty much comes from the idea of 'to each their own'. And especially on the idea of 'considering someone a man/woman'...I'll consider them whatever they want me to consider them, doesn't hurt me any.

Okay, that might've been even more confusing, damn brain farts. Sorry about that. Let me try again

Sex is biological, referring to the genitalia, gender is more or less a social construct, gender identity determines what gender you are and is formed at a young age, and gender dysphoria is a condition in which your gender identity doesn't match your biological sex caused by brain structure and brain chemistry

There. I hope that's less confusing....I'm terrible at explaining stuff

(June 15, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Okay, that might've been even more confusing, damn brain farts. Sorry about that. Let me try again

Sex is biological, referring to the genitalia, gender is more or less a social construct, gender identity determines what gender you are and is formed at a young age, and gender dysphoria is a condition in which your gender identity doesn't match your biological sex caused by brain structure and brain chemistry

There. I hope that's less confusing....I'm terrible at explaining stuff

That does help, thanks a bunch. I just still don't get all the folks getting bent out of shape about what the 'consider' or 'call' a person.

Phew. Words and stuff. It's a complex idea and it's hard to wrap your head around it for sure, I hope I got all that right

(June 15, 2015 at 4:48 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I just still don't get all the folks getting bent out of shape about what the 'consider' or 'call' a person.

Beats me ¯\_(°_o)_/¯