(July 11, 2015 at 7:43 pm)huss88ein Wrote: There are many scintific facts in quran that would proof to any one that quran is the word of god and god exists one .
one of them is the embryology of humans who drove many doctors to believe that quran is indeed the word of god.
Ready to answer any questions

Thank you for the comedy act.

(July 11, 2015 at 11:08 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 11:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote: College bio was a long time ago but the point remains that your translation of the passage in question is at odds with theirs.  This isn't another raisins v. virgins discrepancy I hope.

Well my friend if you have a problem with my translation then dont trust me take the word علقة and copy it to google translate and you will find your answer inchallah

I've got my answer.  There are professionals who translate this stuff and they disagree with you.  Guess who comes out on top?

Even if the book contains knowledge which would be surprising for people at that time, it tells us absolutely nothing about how they got their information. They don't get to just say "God told me" and expect us to believe them. That is a claim in itself that needs verifying.

Also, I don't care if Allah exists, he's not worthy of my attention.

(July 12, 2015 at 2:26 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 11:08 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well my friend if you have a problem with my translation then dont trust me take the word علقة and copy it to google translate and you will find your answer inchallah

I've got my answer.  There are professionals who translate this stuff and they disagree with you.  Guess who comes out on top?

Ok thats so weird that you dont even trust your own translation but it is just as acceptable for me cause so I will tell you one thing any one can write anything on the internet and claims it is professional but if you want something authentic you should read in a book for a professional I recommend that you read quran and modern science for Dr Zakir Naik he is professional for god sake he is even a Doctor in these things.
So read it and see for yourself. It is easy to aquire there is even an app on Android good luck

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(July 12, 2015 at 2:33 am)robvalue Wrote: Even if the book contains knowledge which would be surprising for people at that time, it tells us absolutely nothing about how they got their information. They don't get to just say "God told me" and expect us to believe them. That is a claim in itself that needs verifying.

Also, I don't care if Allah exists, he's not worthy of my attention.

Ok my friend you raised two amazing questions
First if this book contains some scintific miracles why should be god the one who told mohammad , well the answer is simple all of the knowledge in quran was impossible to be known at the time but lets argue here and say that mohammad was a great scientist and had studied this kind of things so where are his mistakes in quran as any other scientist he must make mistakes .
So let us also forget that and say that he was lucky let us just calculate how lucky he was we all know the probability theory such as tossing a coin , so if we take the verse about people not being formed whole in whom but in many phases that would be a fifty fifty chance. And for the creation of everything from water as it known that the cytoplasm is 80% water and it is in everything so that would be 1 in thousand chance assuming they knew 1000 materials at the time and for the shape of earth being egg shaped would be like 1 in 8 assuming they knew 8 geometrical shapes and the examples are numerous to mention all in here but let us do this math only it will be 1 in 16000 thats some tough odds my friend

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(July 12, 2015 at 2:33 am)robvalue Wrote: Even if the book contains knowledge which would be surprising for people at that time, it tells us absolutely nothing about how they got their information. They don't get to just say "God told me" and expect us to believe them. That is a claim in itself that needs verifying.

Also, I don't care if Allah exists, he's not worthy of my attention.

And for the second part of your question that allah is not worthy of being worshipped may I ask why to know your point of view just to give u an adequate answer . thank you

If the quran is so scientific, where's the fucking germ theory in it?

You are saying either these guys found the knowledge themselves, or else it was God. That is not justified. There could be an infinite number of other ways they got the knowledge. Maybe it was a magic speaking toad! Maybe it was aliens! Maybe it was sheer luck! Maybe some weird chemicals in the air gave them temporary amazing knowledge! How did you rule them all out? This amounts to an argument from incredulity, "I can't think of any other way that they got the information." Truth doesn't depend on your ability to imagine it. I don't need to actually know how they got the information to point out the problems in your reasoning. The best answer is, "I don't know how they got it." For more about this see, below:

Im not trying to be annoying, I'm trying to help you improve your critical thinking, if you are interested. Religion relies on very broken logic to succeed, which I am happy to point out at every turn.

As for Allah, worship is an obscene concept. It's degrading for me, and it's pointless for a god. The only reason to do it is to beg for better treatment after I'm dead. I'm not doing that, even if I did think there was anything after death. Also, any being that demands worship is not worthy of it.

Considering creating the uninverse would take literally no effort on the god's part, I think a simple "thank you" is sufficient. If God is good, he will be pleased with me living the best life I can and caring for others. If God is not good, I'm screwed no matter what I do.

Rob, don't waste your time.
The guy's not himself ... He needs a fucking "SNICKERS!" hehe

Ah well, I give people a shot at improving their thinking. Whether they are interested in valid conclusions or comfortable delusions is up to them.

You know, even cool dudes like "Prince" (the one who thought he was visited by an angel), couldn't get through to people like this and they are both born Islamic.
You know what, I'm sure the Islamic atheists are just as far removed from their theist equivalents as we are from our Christian fundy friends.

So at the end of the day, atheists, worldwide have a closer bond with each other, for one single reason. We do not believe "EXACTLY" the same thing!
The counter argument here (Cathy to answer) is "does a theist respect a believer from another religion, instinctively before she will respect an atheist from the same country? It's not like they can accuse an Islamic theist of being silly for believing in the wrong god! That's just pots & kettles.

There is nothing in the Quran that can get to even a millionth of the knowledge that we have about 'reality'. You are probably the 10th Muslim this year to talk about this nonsense on this forum alone. I'm sorry that you've been addled and indoctrinated to believe all this, but none of it is going to work on us unfortunately. Maybe find an Islamic apologist forum instead?

1/10 for conversion efforts.