(July 12, 2015 at 2:27 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 2:19 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Ok yard. Where did the big bang or dust come from. Can you hypothesize that everything came from something or is that too big a pill for you to swallow as well?

What came before the big bang is a subject of debate amongst scientists who are working on various theories.

The fact is we don't have enough facts to go on, but to say some sort of impossible magic man dun it is not helpful.

No one said anything about a magical man. Assumption. God is the Universe. God is what made the Universe. No further assumption is needed to know that there is a higher power, and that all things have a preordained path in life. No magic or particular religion is needed. We all know that there is something more powerful that us. If you claim that isn't true then not only can you not consider yourself to be a free thinker, you can't even call yourself one that thinks at all.

Ok. A bat shit crazy, arrogant, I'm-better-than-you-idiot pantheist.

I'll pass -_-

(July 12, 2015 at 12:57 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: It always gets me when they trout out 'evolution is just a theory'. It's hilarious, because creationism is not even a theory. It is, by the very definition, a fucking myth.

Well this is not the debate but I will gladly approach to your point of view you ar saying evolution is a theory so any theory has evidence for and against as a man who believes in science and studied thus theory it is very cool but it lacks consistency in many places including the big sudden emerge of multiple cells beings and the human evolution steps which are based on a dozen of skeletons who could have been just sick people or genetic disorders so believing this theory or not is an option and not compulsory many evidences against evolution can be mentioned such as atrophic organs who were once believed to be part of it and later discovered to be useful such as limbs in whales which are necessary for reproduction or appendix in humans which is a very important lymphatic gland so discussion of such theories is allowed there not facts like earth revolving around the sun .
As for god not being even a theory well yes he is not and will never be god put signs on his existence in many things already been mentioned and quran is not and will never be a science book it is full with scientific facts so you can be guided to Allah's existence
 "What, do they not ponder the Koran? If it had been from other than God surely they would have found in it much inconsistency". 4 ,82
So te resemblance between animals is because the manufacturer is one and that is allah not because of evolution according to islam and if we came back to the begining of this debate if you were convinced by the signs that god existed then you will believe this and not the evolution theory my friend.

You mean it's convinced Muslim doctors that it's divinely inspired.

Other doctors who have bothered reading the CLAIMS and then read the book, or section of the book where the scientific CLAIMS are meant to be find two completely different things.

Now, run along.

(July 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Beccs Wrote: You mean it's convinced Muslim doctors that it's divinely inspired.

Other doctors who have bothered reading the CLAIMS and then read the book, or section of the book where the scientific CLAIMS are meant to be find two completely different things.

Now, run along.

Well I am a doctor and I'm convinced by the fact that in the 17th century prople believed that humans were small humans inside the sperm who gets bigger inside the women's belly lol but muslims were by then doing autopsy on humans parts to know how they worked and put this nonsense behind thanks to quran so it is something big .
By the way I was an athiest for two years of my life and I never took religion for granted I searched and studied multiple theories in the two parties until I came to this conclusion so I never stopped using my mind my friend

(July 12, 2015 at 3:30 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Beccs Wrote: You mean it's convinced Muslim doctors that it's divinely inspired.

Other doctors who have bothered reading the CLAIMS and then read the book, or section of the book where the scientific CLAIMS are meant to be find two completely different things.

Now, run along.

Well I am a doctor and I'm convinced by the fact that in the 17th century prople believed that humans were small humans inside the sperm who gets bigger inside the women's belly lol but muslims were by then doing autopsy on humans parts to know how they worked and put this nonsense behind thanks to quran so it is something big .
By the way I was an athiest for two years of my life and I never took religion for granted I searched and studied multiple theories in the two parties until I came to this conclusion so I never stopped using my mind my friend

So after your 2 years as an atheist, how did you come to the decision that the book you chose was the right one?

(July 12, 2015 at 3:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

I like that a lot.

(July 12, 2015 at 3:39 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 3:30 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well I am a doctor and I'm convinced by the fact that in the 17th century prople believed that humans were small humans inside the sperm who gets bigger inside the women's belly lol but muslims were by then doing autopsy on humans parts to know how they worked and put this nonsense behind thanks to quran so it is something big .
By the way I was an athiest for two years of my life and I never took religion for granted I searched and studied multiple theories in the two parties until I came to this conclusion so I never stopped using my mind my friend

So after your 2 years as an atheist, how did you come to the decision that the book you chose was the right one?

Easy when I studied the other books but quran I found controversies within them regarding other verses and regarding science for example it is said in the bible that the world was created not befor thousands of years and they worship a man I cant worship a man whom ever he was he is just a man and Hinduism by example says that cheva the god was a man with four arms and four heads that is just ridiculous even though among these two books there is a very valuable knowledge I can't just say that the vedas or bible are all nonsense that is also not fare so the best approach for sny relegion is to read about it as much as you can not just judging the cover or the followers that is not fare for the relegion read and read the whole text don't ever quote verses out of contest just as many do against islam they quote for example

"And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."2 191
But they forget 190 and 192

Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. 2' 190

And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 2 192

So by quoting the first vers you will think that muslims are barbaric killers but by reading the verse before and after you will know that it is just self defense in the verse before and you will know it is a very forgiving relegion because the minute they stop fighting muslims they dont have the right to fight them
Snd the examples are multiple in this contest and when I read the other books I didnt find such things the facts are not correct the rules are cruel not the way of spreading the message is as mearciful and I dont think that god can be cruel so the only conclusion I came up with is that these books may have come from god but people changed them so they can do as they please.

(July 12, 2015 at 3:30 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm)Beccs Wrote: You mean it's convinced Muslim doctors that it's divinely inspired.

Other doctors who have bothered reading the CLAIMS and then read the book, or section of the book where the scientific CLAIMS are meant to be find two completely different things.

Now, run along.

Well I am a doctor and I'm convinced by the fact that in the 17th century prople believed that humans were small humans inside the sperm who gets bigger inside the women's belly lol but muslims were by then doing autopsy on humans parts to know how they worked and put this nonsense behind thanks to quran so it is something big .
By the way I was an athiest for two years of my life and I never took religion for granted I searched and studied multiple theories in the two parties until I came to this conclusion so I never stopped using my mind my friend

I'm a cardiac surgeon, and I've read many of the claims made by adherents to holy books of the scientific knowledge contained therein and found the claims to be lacking, at best, and exaggerated, at worst.

And let's not forget, the knowledge that much of our science and medicine was originally based on came to us from the ancient Greeks.