(July 12, 2015 at 6:16 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well giving u a list wont establish anything that would be bragging , the topic here is about islam why dont u give me some facts why islam is wrong and my claims are faulty.

Nope, it don't work that way down my neck of the woods me old mucker. You state that Islam is the real deal and admit to not being knowledgeable in all other holy texts and then ask me to say why Islam is wrong?

I don't believe in any of these books, you don't believe in any of them apart from the Quran (without having read them all) and ask me to prove why your chosen book is wrong? You must see the utter hypocrisy in this line of thought surely?

And while you're at it, why don't you give me some facts about why Buddhism is wrong.

(July 12, 2015 at 6:42 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 6:16 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well giving u a list wont establish anything that would be bragging , the topic here is about islam why dont u give me some facts why islam is wrong and my claims are faulty.

Nope, it don't work that way down my neck of the woods me old mucker. You state that Islam is the real deal and admit to not being knowledgeable in all other holy texts and then ask me to say why Islam is wrong?

I don't believe in any of these books, you don't believe in any of them apart from the Quran (without having read them all) and ask me to prove why your chosen book is wrong? You must see the utter hypocrisy in this line of thought surely?

Well I never told you that I don't believe in any of them beside quran we muslims believe that the bible is the word of god among other books but has been manipulated by man.
For that proving me wrong statement it goes both way I try to prove u wrong and u try to prove me wrong that's how a debate works .
In the beginning of this debate I gave multiple signs that quran is the word of god and we discussed them among us in a most civilized way.
And I asked in return to show me mistakes in quran as the debate went on.
For me that how discussions work we try to prove the opposite to be wrong so if you're taking this as that I am saying I have no proof then no I did mention mutiple verses in favor of islam being the true relegion.
If you want to give me somthing against it that will solidify your point of view if not it is also acceptable.

(July 12, 2015 at 6:54 pm)huss88ein Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 6:42 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote: Nope, it don't work that way down my neck of the woods me old mucker. You state that Islam is the real deal and admit to not being knowledgeable in all other holy texts and then ask me to say why Islam is wrong?

I don't believe in any of these books, you don't believe in any of them apart from the Quran (without having read them all) and ask me to prove why your chosen book is wrong? You must see the utter hypocrisy in this line of thought surely?

Well I never told you that I don't believe in any of them beside quran we muslims believe that the bible is the word of god among other books but has been manipulated by man.

So hang on a minute, you believe that the Quran is the word of god AND other books are also the word of god. Wow.

(July 12, 2015 at 7:02 pm)TubbyTubby Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 6:54 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well I never told you that I don't believe in any of them beside quran we muslims believe that the bible is the word of god among other books but has been manipulated by man.

So hang on a minute, you believe that the Quran is the word of god AND other books are also the word of god. Wow.

Where is the wow in that god always existed so giving his word to successive civilizations is logical.
There's a very clear concept in islam called " naskh " abrogation that is when god renew his message to people when they manipulate this word according to their selfish interest so thats why there are multiple messengers from god but the message is always the same.
Also abrogation is used in islam itself you can look it up if u want

Just for grins, I ran posts from hus88ein through my word, grammar and letter frequency analysis software and it concludes (82% probability) that he is a Poe.

(July 11, 2015 at 10:21 pm)huss88ein Wrote: My friend if you had ever studied an embry under microscope in the first stages you will find the resemblance between leeches and the embry it is a known fact

Human embryo

Leech


As they differ in color, texture, shape and size, exactly how does an embryo resemble a leech?
They're both segmented maybe?
Maybe if you distort the embryo in a cartoon and pose the leech....


But if you ground them both up and mixed them together, they'd look even more alike.

(July 12, 2015 at 7:48 pm)JuliaL Wrote: Just for grins, I ran posts from hus88ein through my word, grammar and letter frequency analysis software and it concludes (82% probability) that he is a Poe.

(July 11, 2015 at 10:21 pm)huss88ein Wrote: My friend if you had ever studied an embry under microscope in the first stages you will find the resemblance between leeches and the embry it is a known fact

Human embryo

Leech


As they differ in color, texture, shape and size, exactly how does an embryo resemble a leech?
They're both segmented maybe?
Maybe if you distort the embryo in a cartoon and pose the leech....


But if you ground them both up and mixed them together, they'd look even more alike.

That's how an embryo looks like in the earliest stage as for colors there added as in microscope the colors are added or you believe in colors in bacteria are red and green and whatever colors they add to make images easier to study

(July 12, 2015 at 8:05 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
That's how an embryo looks like in the earliest stage as for colors there added as in microscope the colors are added or you believe in colors in bacteria are red and green and whatever colors they add to make images easier to study

No, the pink and red are true colors and come from the blood circulating in the embryo.
Leeches are generally black or mottled dark colors and black.
Your photo shows the neural tube formation of a chordate embryo, leeches don't have these, only chordates (the phylum which includes vertebrates.)
Chordates also have bilateral symmetry which can be seen in your graphic.
Maybe the quran meant that the embryo looks like two leeches? or a leech humping along a mirror?

(July 12, 2015 at 8:27 pm)JuliaL Wrote:

(July 12, 2015 at 8:05 pm)huss88ein Wrote:
That's how an embryo looks like in the earliest stage as for colors there added as in microscope the colors are added or you believe in colors in bacteria are red and green and whatever colors they add to make images easier to study

No, the pink and red are true colors and come from the blood circulating in the embryo.
Leeches are generally black or mottled dark colors and black.
Your photo shows the neural tube formation of a chordate embryo, leeches don't have these, only chordates (the phylum which includes vertebrates.)
Chordates also have bilateral symmetry which can be seen in your graphic.
Maybe the quran meant that the embryo looks like two leeches? or a leech humping along a mirror?

Well these colors are real in your photo no doubt and that is a gum not leech according to modern medicine translation to arabic and it also mentiond but in earlier stages this embryo cant be studied without microscope as for the coulour we all know that coagulated blood formations are black so the embryo in early stages.

For the leeches in quran it is mentioned in pleural not singular name in quran .
Hope that was helpful and so you know all of the stages in arbia land are mentioned in thier arabic names witch came from quran . And arab doctors are good doctors among them there are multiple leading surgeons in the US and france whom I know .

(July 12, 2015 at 8:37 pm)huss88ein Wrote: Well these colors are real in your photo no doubt and that is a gum not leech according to modern medicine translation to arabic and it also mentiond but in earlier stages this embryo cant be studied without microscope as for the coulour we all know that coagulated blood formations are black so the embryo in early stages.

For the leeches in quran it is mentioned in pleural not singular name in quran .
Hope that was helpful and so you know all of the stages in arbia land are mentioned in thier arabic names witch came from quran . And arab doctors are good doctors among them there are multiple leading surgeons in the US and france whom I know .

So which are you saying the authors of the quran could not have seen?
A leech or a spontaneously aborted embryo?
I know you muslims are squeemish about lady things like that, but it isn't supernatural to look.
It's not unlikely.  Arabs had a pretty good reputation for observation and investigation of nature before the theocratic nut-cases took over in the 13th century.  At that point their progress towards truth just stopped.
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicatio...om-science

Quote:Forty-six Muslim countries combined contribute just 1 percent of the world’s scientific literature; Spain and India each contribute more of the world’s scientific literature than those countries taken together.

Can you tell me exactly what surras your super duper Arab surgeons are using as technical references in their professions?