The "not all Muslims are terrorists" fallacy

[Lemonvariable72]

I don't think calling them moderates is accurate. The way I break it down for myself is jihadists, conservative, liberal. The conservative Muslims share many veiws with the more extreme jihadists, but don't actively pursue terrorism. According to British studies the conservative and jihadists actually make the majority of Muslims.

To be honest, it only seems like the media who wants to label these 'average, every-day muslims' as moderates. I don't hear virtually any muslims describing themselves as such.

Yes, that is true. Though the media seems to true against more and more

[robvalue]

Or else extremists are so fucking extreme that even crazy people look moderate in comparison.

So.. being a moderate means saying you believe all the stuff in your religion, but acting you like you don't? Or is that a liberal?

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I don't think it's the average, everyday Muslim's responsibility to define themselves as "moderates". They just live their lives and try to be decent people the best way they know how.

Since when have we started telling people they have some inherent duty to shout down the extreme elements of their faith?

It would be nice if more-liberal Christians and Muslims alike were better at doing this, but I don't fault them for it.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

And she's a moderate American Muslim...

Exactly the issue. All these ones who say they're moderates still have extreme views compared to other non-muslims.

That's generally true in my own personal experience.

Mention anything about gays or Israel in front of any my friends who happen to Muslim and even these educated people will just about stop short of openly hoping for Israel's complete destruction.

A few have even defended IS, saying that whilst not representative of their views in totality, they are "doing some things right" to directly quote a Muslim friend of mine who is also an accountant with a big 4 firm.

Insanity.

[Napoléon]

Since when have we started telling people they have some inherent duty to shout down the extreme elements of their faith?

Since the extremists started claiming their actions spoke for the whole.

Which was a long time ago.

Whether people like it or not, other muslims absolutely do have a responsibility to shout down the extreme elements of their faith. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. Nothing more than enablers.

[pocaracas]

"Doing some things right"... totally, dude!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...arket.html

[Minimalist]

The Pew Foundation did a fairly recent and extensive survey.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/wo...report.pdf

In most countries where the question was asked, roughly three-quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians. And in most countries, the prevailing view is that such acts are never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies.

Of course that means that 1/4 do not reject it and 25% is a significant number....especially when the rest sit on their asses and do nothing.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Since when have we started telling people they have some inherent duty to shout down the extreme elements of their faith?

Since the extremists started claiming their actions spoke for the whole.

Which was a long time ago.

Whether people like it or not, other muslims absolutely do have a responsibility to shout down the extreme elements of their faith. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. Nothing more than enablers.

That's horse shit. Every extremist group claims to be "the voice of the people".

So you, white guy, spend your time and energy publicly shouting down the white supremacist groups, who claim that they're just saying aloud "what all white people feel but are too afraid to voice in this PC society".

Am I disturbed and appalled by the 25% figure, cited above? Yes! But there is a significant fear and intimidation factor toward those who would speak out, especially in the countries where they can be retaliated against for doing so, and where most of that 25% live. And yet, they do speak out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZBwWUlkrqQ

Do I think that even the average Muslim is extreme by post-Enlightenment, Age-of-Reason standards? Yes! But I think the same of 75% or Christians, as well.

[Lemonvariable72]

Since the extremists started claiming their actions spoke for the whole.

Which was a long time ago.

Whether people like it or not, other muslims absolutely do have a responsibility to shout down the extreme elements of their faith. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. Nothing more than enablers.

That's horse shit. Every extremist group claims to be "the voice of the people".

So you, white guy, spend your time and energy publicly shouting down the white supremacist groups, who claim that they're just saying aloud "what all white people feel but are too afraid to voice in this PC society".

Am I disturbed and appalled by the 25% figure, cited above? Yes! But there is a significant fear and intimidation factor toward those who would speak out, especially in the countries where they can be retaliated against for doing so, and where most of that 25% live. And yet, they do speak out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZBwWUlkrqQ

Do I think that even the average Muslim is extreme by post-Enlightenment, Age-of-Reason standards? Yes! But I think the same of 75% or Christians, as well.

I know I will condemn white supremacists agian and agian, not like that 'moderate' above who is clearly an anti semitic piece of shit. And as for 75% percent of Christians comment, let's say that is true, how does that jusitfy even one act of extremism in islam?

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I know I will condemn white supremacists agian and agian, not like that 'moderate' above who is clearly an anti semitic piece of shit. And as for 75% percent of Christians comment, let's say that is true, how does that jusitfy even one act of extremism in islam?

Did you just type the phrase, "justify even one act of extremism"?