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Here's why Creatards might be right
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 12:48 am
I may be someone unique unto myself, then.

I daily have the free will choice of deciding between one thing or another.

I can say what I want, or I can keep my mouth quiet while continuing to listen to the conversation around me.

I can choose between eating either one or another, or nothing, for lunch.

I can choose to respond to a forum thread or not respond to it.

My mind clearly weighs upon one choice over another, that cannot be discounted.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 12:50 am
Whether we have choices is not what is being questioned here....

This isn't about fatalism. Yes you can choose, we all can, we all have choices.

Are they free choices? Nope.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 12:51 am (This post was last modified: October 31, 2015 at 12:53 am by Silver.)
To state that my subconscious knows what choice I am going to make between two or more options seems rather more supernatural than anything religion has concocted.

Why would I be weighing over multiple options, assessing them?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 12:51 am (This post was last modified: October 31, 2015 at 12:55 am by ErGingerbreadMandude.)
If free will is free decision making without any axioms then only a being capable not of critical thinking can have free will. Humans make decisions using critical thinking,i.e,makes decisions using axioms, which means that our decisions are dependent on axioms and are not free and according to your definition we hence do not exhibit the ability of free will.

But isn't that like saying that the water that is filled inside a bucket cannot flow freely because the water is restricted to the boundaries of the bucket?
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 12:53 am (This post was last modified: October 31, 2015 at 12:54 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(October 31, 2015 at 12:51 am)Kitan Wrote: To state that my subconscious knows what choice I am going to make between two or more options seems rather more supernatural than anything religion has concocted.  

Why would I be weighing over multiple options, accessing them?

Ummm... many neuroscience has confirmed this... so unless you are anti-science and anti naturalilistic philosophy why deny those experiments? It's the very opposite of supernatural, it's science. Science deals with naturalism not supernaturalism.

If you don't weigh mulitiple options that just makes it even more clear that thoughts are merely popping into your head and you're not free... and it is merely an illusion of an illusion of free will to mistake the weighing them up for anything more than... just weighing them up. No free will required.

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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 12:55 am
Free will is real.

I can understand from whence the confusion is arising.

It is akin to the theist who cannot understand the difference between a theory and a scientific theory.

Imagine free will without the religious baggage, and it is quite real.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 1:29 am
(October 31, 2015 at 12:55 am)Kitan Wrote: Free will is real.

I can understand from whence the confusion is arising.

It is akin to the theist who cannot understand the difference between a theory and a scientific theory.  

Imagine free will without the religious baggage, and it is quite real.

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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 1:30 am
hehe, that does seem to be the case.
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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 4:09 am
Here ya go Jen. This will shut the heathens up!

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RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 31, 2015 at 4:44 am
(October 30, 2015 at 11:24 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: there is no solid evidence for or against intelligent design...

That depends upon if you mean intelligent design (some nebulous concept or evolutionary creationism) or Intelligent Design. The first is an unnecessary complication, the second is completely, totally, unequivocally wrong.

(October 30, 2015 at 11:24 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: or God

The "reality" of God is created through repetition and ritual. The concept of God existing outside the self is absurd, limiting, and dangerous.
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