Review so far of the Romans study

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(I my self can atest to this.)

I read this and was immediately reminded of the Sly and the Family Stone song: Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)

Sly was a thousand times funkier. Drich is funky in a Pat Boone kind of way.

[loganonekenobi]

chapter and verse on what the bible says about killing non-believers
Deuteronomy 17
bible vrs about killing gays
Leviticus 20:13:
bible vrs about killing witches
Leviticus 20:27
bible vrs about killing bad children
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
bible vrs about killing adulterers
Leviticus 20:10
bible vrs about slavery
Ephesians 6:5
bible vrs on being fiends of a non-believer
Corinthians 6:14
bible vrs as to what a non-believer is worth
Psalms 14:1
or this one on trusting yourself
Proverbs 3:5-6
and that none of these jesus would change
Matthew 5:17-18
now that is not to say there aren't some diamonds in this
pile of crap
like how to treat others
Luke 6:31
or why not to judge others
Matthew 7

where did i get the 1700 years? really?
http://explorethemed.com/christian.asp
pay particular attention to the bottom paragraph
Theodosius I (reigned 379-392) if you read this he is
the one who outlawed christianity and made it legal for
the pagan persecutions to begin.

then this happened
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
The math goes like this 2015-379=1636 years.
in america it was until this that children where made to pray in public schools
https://www.au.org/resources/publication...ic-schools

infact i'll bet you really hate this lady...Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

and there are plenty of people that want to take my
freedom away to believe or not to believe and to force
their version of morality on me
http://www.brucegourley.com/christiannat...ocracy.htm

The bare truth is that I agree that corruption is in
every institution. However, due to the over whelming
historical evidence no amount of excuses from the
apologetics or you is going to change the fact that
A) this god (non existant) has not lifted one finger to
stop the atrocities done in his name
B) Man will use these verses to justify anything they
want from killing other to playing victim.
John 15:18
Yes Christianity can also cause people to do great things but so can buddhism and other religions.
So yes Christianity stands accussed.

[Drich]

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[Anomalocaris]

Maybe she smiles because she's packin'.

Explains a lot.

[Cyberman]

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That's the most lucid and intelligent thing you've posted in a long time. Keep it up!

[Drich]

chapter and verse on what the bible says about  killing non-believers
Deuteronomy 17
bible vrs about killing gays
Leviticus 20:13:
bible vrs about killing witches
Leviticus 20:27
bible vrs about killing bad children
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
bible vrs about killing adulterers
Leviticus 20:10
bible vrs about slavery
Ephesians 6:5
bible vrs on being fiends of a non-believer
Corinthians 6:14
bible vrs as to what a non-believer is worth
Psalms 14:1
or this one on trusting yourself
Proverbs 3:5-6
and that none of these jesus would change
Matthew 5:17-18
now that is not to say there aren't some diamonds in this
pile of crap

Are you not paying attention to this study?
The law is more than a list of thou shalls and thou shalt nots. 1/3 to almost 1/2 is dedicated to being made right with God/atonement cleaning/cleansing ceremonies.
Christ completing the law means we are in a perpetual state of forgiveness. this perserves the law and not one part of it changes, because as we found out in this study the role of the unchanged law is meant to show those who do/can not keep it's commands that they are in sin, and need the atonement Christ offers.

Those who are in said grace are no longer subject to the law for their righteousness. Christ said "Nothing/not even one dot can be changed till it is finished." What were his last words on the cross again? "It is Finished."

That means the time span in which the law could never be changed in the least little bit is up./Righteousness as per the rest of the bible is no longer based on following the law. but as Christ said the law itself remains.

like how to treat others
Luke 6:31
or why not to judge others
Matthew 7

What do these passages have to do with anything?

where did i get the 1700 years? really?
http://explorethemed.com/christian.asp
pay particular attention to the bottom paragraph
Theodosius I (reigned 379-392)  if you read this he is
the one who outlawed christianity and made it legal for
the pagan persecutions to begin.

Are you out of your Vulcan mind? or drunk?


from 'the last paragraph.'
Whilst Paganism was by this point officially outlawed, it was not easy to destroy over a thousand years of pagan religious traditions, and throughout the 5th century AD, Roman emperors would continue to issue new laws forbidding Paganism. In 529 AD, the Emperor Justinian ordered the closure of the Neo-Platonic School of Philosophy in Athens as it was seen as a threat to Christian belief. This event has been seen by many historians as marking the end of Antiquity

So according to your article Christianity came to power in the mid 4th century and did not become the dominate religion till the end 1/3 of the 6th.. At which point paganism is simply outlawed. None of which point to a Command in the bible to persecute. seems to me without a command to persecute and because Christianity is not biblically framed with any theocratic law/eddicts for Christians to govern society with God's law (We are told to submit to the laws of man unless they conflict.) then the use of Christianity as a tool to regulate government is a work of man. Whether that is used in a good way or bad way again, is not of/commanded by god, but an act of man and a reflection of the hearts of the men who use the name of God to unite or destroy under.

The best your link provides is proof that you math is waaaay off, and your understanding of 'Christian oppression' is.. 'overstated.'

Again just because someone does something and claims he is working for you does not mean he is working for you or even fulfilling your wishes.

then this happened
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

unsupported hok'em/baseless charge.

The math goes like this 2015-379=1636 years.

not according to your first source.

 in america it was until this that children where made to pray in public schools
https://www.au.org/resources/publication...ic-schools

pray in school=persecution?
ah, no. Why don't you look up the word persecution.

infact i'll bet you really hate this lady...Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

and there are plenty of people that want to take my
freedom away to believe or not to believe and to force
their version of morality on me
http://www.brucegourley.com/christiannat...ocracy.htm

I could not even read all of that because it is so full of false accusations. the person who wrote that does not understand what this religion is.
The study in romans we are doing draws a sharp contrast between what we as believers are supposed to be doing verse the anti god propaganda claims Christianity is about.
That compareson should have one ask who is right. Anti-god propagandist who is trying to demonize the religion and it's followers or a reading/study from the religions core principles/mandates?

The bare truth is that I agree that corruption is in
every institution.  

It's not just corruption in the official religion. Many out right lie about who they are and what they believe in, and simply use the name of God to justify things the bible/God calls out as being evil.

However, due to the over whelming
historical evidence no amount of excuses from the
apologetics or you is going to change the fact that
A) this god (non existant)

That's what apologetics is sport. It shows that (in this case) Your understanding of God is indeed false and non existant. However it can also show that if you follow the path and instructions God leaves us to follow we will be able to not only find God but directly interact with Him.

has not lifted one finger to
stop the atrocities done in his name

... seriously???
What evidence is their when God does indeed stop someone from being killed?
What evidence is their when someone (for whatever reason) lives rather than dies, 100, 1000 or 2000 years later?

I would content that the reformation movement is pretty good 'proof.'
That God preserved His word through a 1000 year slow betrayal by the church and it's leadership to give us all opportunities to know who God really is and what He wants.

B) Man will use these verses to justify anything they
want from killing other to playing victim.
John 15:18

Indeed, so again we must critically look at the religion itself to judge the religion and the God behind it. Because if people are acting in accordance with the religion and are doing terrible things, that is one thing, but if people are going against the religion's core principles in the name of that God, then it is not that 'religion/God's' doing, but the heart of the wicked who are using the religion to carry out ill will.

Yes Christianity can also cause people to do great things but so can buddhism and other religions.
So yes Christianity stands accussed.

of what doing good things like Buddhist? What if a sect of Buddhists decided they were going to crash planes into buildings and instead of lighting themselves on fire in protest, they were going to light other people on fire. Would the whole of Buddhism come under fire? Does the whole of Islam come underfire when ISIS does these types of things? No, otherwise we would not be looking to invite 10,000 people who's God demand that they kill non believers/people who oppose the spread of islam into this country. but when 'christian terrorists/extremeists did these things 1500 years ago! all of Christianity is considered to be corrupt...

Again, are you drunk, high or just so self righteous you can not see past your hypocritical judgement to see clearly/fairly?

You want Christianty to be the bad Guy You need Christianity to be the bad guy so you can feel justified in your world view. So much so your willing to over look really evil people and a religion that demands that they behave that way just to put blame on an institution you are on a witch hunt for.

[Drich]

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That's the most lucid and intelligent thing you've posted in a long time. Keep it up!

what I wrote did not post the first time.

[Cyberman]

Looked good to me.

[Minimalist]

Looked better in fact.  At least it made more sense than his standard drivel.

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And no misspellings.