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RE: Muslims
November 22, 2015 at 9:31 pm
(This post was last modified: November 22, 2015 at 9:34 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
Thump, I did not mean to talk down to you, friend. There were a couple other people here insisting that Christianity and Islam are the same, and acting as though one thing that works for one will work for the other. My comment to your post asking why some structured order and a "pope" weren't needed for protestants to evolve out of the barbaric middle age phase, was more meant to be a general comment addressing some of the things others here have said. My apologies.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Muslims
November 22, 2015 at 10:13 pm
(November 22, 2015 at 9:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Thump, I did not mean to talk down to you, friend. There were a couple other people here insisting that Christianity and Islam are the same, and acting as though one thing that works for one will work for the other. My comment to your post asking why some structured order and a "pope" weren't needed for protestants to evolve out of the barbaric middle age phase, was more meant to be a general comment addressing some of the things others here have said. My apologies.
Fair enough; I'm sorry for taking umbrage.
I think much more important than a structured hierarchy in defanging militant Islam is the creation and thriving of solid civil institutions. After all, a Muslim "pope" would be able to declare jihad from centralized, organized power.
What is needed is the elevation of secular over religious authority, doubtful though such an outcome might seem.
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RE: Muslims
November 22, 2015 at 10:19 pm
In other words, theocracies and progress are mutually exclusive it would seem.
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RE: Muslims
November 22, 2015 at 10:21 pm
No worries. Yeah, it would only have a chance of helping anything if the people at the top weren't crazies themselves. But then again, most Muslims aren't crazies so it could be possible.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Muslims
November 22, 2015 at 10:22 pm
(November 22, 2015 at 10:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No worries. Yeah, it would only have a chance of helping anything if the people at the top weren't crazies themselves. But then again, most Muslims aren't crazies so it could be possible.
More or less it's with every religion you have people who just take it too damn seriously.
It's those people who are dangerous.
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RE: Muslims
November 22, 2015 at 11:12 pm
Unfortunately religions are designed to be taken as seriously as possible, due to the things that they claim are at stake.
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RE: Muslims
November 23, 2015 at 12:45 am
(November 22, 2015 at 11:12 pm)robvalue Wrote: Unfortunately religions are designed to be taken as seriously as possible, due to the things that they claim are at stake.
Why do modern, supposedly intelligent educated people, believe the BS that ancient con men cooked up? The average people of today should be herding goats in some desert. They are too stupid to live in the modern world.
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RE: Muslims
November 23, 2015 at 10:54 am
(November 22, 2015 at 1:22 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: How do you propose to do that? What concrete actions do you suggest that would accomplish this end?
I've answered this numerous times in the thread.
Read.
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RE: Muslims
November 23, 2015 at 4:34 pm
(November 23, 2015 at 12:45 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (November 22, 2015 at 11:12 pm)robvalue Wrote: Unfortunately religions are designed to be taken as seriously as possible, due to the things that they claim are at stake.
Why do modern, supposedly intelligent educated people, believe the BS that ancient con men cooked up? The average people of today should be herding goats in some desert. They are too stupid to live in the modern world.
There are people out there who only believe in God because they feel it is the "normal" thing to do. This is intellectual laziness, and yes, kinda stupid. But I think for most of us, due to our life experiences or for whatever other reason, it really does just make more sense to us for God to be real. I don't think this makes someone stupid or uneducated.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Muslims
November 23, 2015 at 4:39 pm
Quote:A lot of the incidents involve breaking religious rules.
Then fuck them even harder..... ignorant twats.
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