If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

[Brian37]

Sheed cut the bullshit. Just because you're willing to blindly follow a phantasm over a cliff doesn't allow you to throw shit at the rest of us and pronounce what you believe to threats in our direction. The fact of the matter is that your god doesn't exist, and even if he did, to use the immortal words of Havelock Vetinari, "it is up to all of us to become his moral superior" because frankly your god if real is a piece of shit of the most pungent order.

I know ur trying to get me to retaliate against u speaking so negatively towards my belief and my Lord. But I won't. As I said b4 I pose no threats and have not said one single disrespectful or negative statement towards atheism. The only thing I have done is told what I believe as true and have simply warned you about God. He is Loving, and Most Merciful to those who obey Him, worship Him alone, and seek His forgiveness. But He is also strict in punishment, and should be feared by all mankind

NO we are not trying to provoke you to start a fight. Stop being so paranoid.

You sound like Christians and Jews and Hindus and even Buddhists who pull this crap.

Believer(incert religion here) "I really like what I believe"

Skeptic " Yea we get that, but it is simply not true"

Believer, " YOU HATE ME"

Skeptic, "No we dont hate you, we are simply telling you your logic sucks".

NOW AGAIN, you need to learn the difference between human rights, which we all agree to. And the credibility of what comes out of your mouth, or what you type.

WE GET IT, you really like what you believe. Yes, many of us here were in a religion at some point. 

When we get blunt with you, we are not trying to hurt you. You can consider it cold water on your face. 

GROW UP, it really will not hurt you to think and if you figure out we are right, and you are wrong, it will not be doomsday, it will simply mean we put you on the right track.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Yet another dodge.

If you are going to claim he does not need your help, every time you post you defy your own logic. 

Now what is really going on is your own flawed perception of reality. You merely like the idea of having a super hero, and that is why you continue to keep making excuses to cling to believing in him and why you keep trying to make arguments for it.

Allah is my Lord and Creator and I worship Him alone. So I can't prove it to you now but the time will come where it will be proven and I hope for ur sake u r on the believing side

Your parents created you.

[Sheed1980]

Allah is my Lord and Creator and I worship Him alone. So I can't prove it to you now but the time will come where it will be proven and I hope for ur sake u r on the believing side

Your parents created you.

No my parents begot me, I, like everything else in the entire universe was created by Allah

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I know ur trying to get me to retaliate against u speaking so negatively towards my belief and my Lord. But I won't. As I said b4 I pose no threats and have not said one single disrespectful or negative statement towards atheism. The only thing I have done is told what I believe as true and have simply warned you about God. He is Loving, and Most Merciful to those who obey Him, worship Him alone, and seek His forgiveness. But He is also strict in punishment, and should be feared by all mankind

NO we are not trying to provoke you to start a fight. Stop being so paranoid.

You sound like Christians and Jews and Hindus and even Buddhists who pull this crap.

Believer(incert religion here) "I really like what I believe"

Skeptic " Yea we get that, but it is simply not true"

Believer, " YOU HATE ME"

Skeptic, "No we dont hate you, we are simply telling you your logic sucks".

NOW AGAIN, you need to learn the difference between human rights, which we all agree to. And the credibility of what comes out of your mouth, or what you type.

WE GET IT, you really like what you believe. Yes, many of us here were in a religion at some point. 

When we get blunt with you, we are not trying to hurt you. You can consider it cold water on your face. 

GROW UP, it really will not hurt you to think and if you figure out we are right, and you are wrong, it will not be doomsday, it will simply mean we put you on the right track.

Well like it is said my friend. I'm not able to change ur view of religion nor are u able to change mine. Like u saidwe have our rights and reasons to believe what we do, obviously viewed as illogical coming from each opposite party, but it is each of our choice. So I hope I haven't offended u in anyway, sharing my beliefs I'm kinda new to this website. If I have offended u n any way I apologize, I hope u can forgive me, that was not my intention at all. So I can say to u my friend even though we go in opposite directions on our view of life, I wish u the best. ?

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I know ur trying to get me to retaliate against u speaking so negatively towards my belief and my Lord. But I won't. As I said b4 I pose no threats and have not said one single disrespectful or negative statement towards atheism. The only thing I have done is told what I believe as true and have simply warned you about God. He is Loving, and Most Merciful to those who obey Him, worship Him alone, and seek His forgiveness. But He is also strict in punishment, and should be feared by all mankind

I'm not denigrating your god, I am simply making factual statements about him, based on available evidence. Given what we know allah either doesn't exist (about 99% certain) or he's a giant shit (based off the fucked up instructions in the quran). You can try to prove me wrong if you want, but be warned your evidence must be far superior than the rubbish supplied to now.

If u have the time and patience I would like to share with u some of the what we as Muslims call miracles of the Qur'an. Now take it, because I have debated and responded to many posts I can't promise u that I haven't sent any of these to u already. But what I want to show u in them is how they stood out to me and opened my eyes and heart by proving factual information as verified to this day. So would u be up to taking a look at these my friend?

[Brian37]

Your parents created you.

No my parents begot me, I, like everything else in the entire universe was created by Allah

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NO we are not trying to provoke you to start a fight. Stop being so paranoid.

You sound like Christians and Jews and Hindus and even Buddhists who pull this crap.

Believer(incert religion here) "I really like what I believe"

Skeptic " Yea we get that, but it is simply not true"

Believer, " YOU HATE ME"

Skeptic, "No we dont hate you, we are simply telling you your logic sucks".

NOW AGAIN, you need to learn the difference between human rights, which we all agree to. And the credibility of what comes out of your mouth, or what you type.

WE GET IT, you really like what you believe. Yes, many of us here were in a religion at some point. 

When we get blunt with you, we are not trying to hurt you. You can consider it cold water on your face. 

GROW UP, it really will not hurt you to think and if you figure out we are right, and you are wrong, it will not be doomsday, it will simply mean we put you on the right track.

Well like it is said my friend. I'm not able to change ur view of religion nor are u able to change mine. Like u saidwe have our rights and reasons to believe what we do, obviously viewed as illogical coming from each opposite party, but it is each of our choice. So I hope I haven't offended u in anyway, sharing my beliefs I'm kinda new to this website. If I have offended u n any way I apologize, I hope u can forgive me, that was not my intention at all. So I can say to u my friend even though we go in opposite directions on our view of life, I wish u the best. ?

It is not about rights. It is about EVIDENCE.

NO you have NOT OFFENDED ME, your bad use of logic has YES!

If I came up to you and claimed " A magical invisible frog farted a full sized Lamborghini out of its ass"

AT BEST, most believers of any label would argue "So what's wrong with that"? Unfortunately people of all religions when you say boo to them go beyond mere words and use law and violence to squash dissent.

Yes we are opposites. But dont act like if the entire world were 7 billion Muslims suddenly everything would suddenly shit ice cream and puppies.

You like what you believe. 

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

You are still in the same boat as Christians and Jews and Hindus and Rastas and Mormons ect ect ect ect ect.

GET IN LINE TAKE A NUMBER.

[Sheed1980]

No my parents begot me, I, like everything else in the entire universe was created by Allah

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Well like it is said my friend. I'm not able to change ur view of religion nor are u able to change mine. Like u saidwe have our rights and reasons to believe what we do, obviously viewed as illogical coming from each opposite party, but it is each of our choice. So I hope I haven't offended u in anyway, sharing my beliefs I'm kinda new to this website. If I have offended u n any way I apologize, I hope u can forgive me, that was not my intention at all. So I can say to u my friend even though we go in opposite directions on our view of life, I wish u the best. ?

It is not about rights. It is about EVIDENCE.

NO you have NOT OFFENDED ME, your bad use of logic has YES!

If I came up to you and claimed " A magical invisible frog farted a full sized Lamborghini out of its ass"

AT BEST, most believers of any label would argue "So what's wrong with that"? Unfortunately people of all religions when you say boo to them go beyond mere words and use law and violence to squash dissent.

Yes we are opposites. But dont act like if the entire world were 7 billion Muslims suddenly everything would suddenly shit ice cream and puppies.

You like what you believe. 

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

You are still in the same boat as Christians and Jews and Hindus and Rastas and Mormons ect ect ect ect ect.

GET IN LINE TAKE A NUMBER.

Like u say get in line take a number, we have to go through this line or the other. The decision is up to us but the path or line does lead to an eternal lasting place

[Pat Mustard]

Your parents created you.

No my parents begot me, I, like everything else in the entire universe was created by Allah

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NO we are not trying to provoke you to start a fight. Stop being so paranoid.

You sound like Christians and Jews and Hindus and even Buddhists who pull this crap.

Believer(incert religion here) "I really like what I believe"

Skeptic " Yea we get that, but it is simply not true"

Believer, " YOU HATE ME"

Skeptic, "No we dont hate you, we are simply telling you your logic sucks".

NOW AGAIN, you need to learn the difference between human rights, which we all agree to. And the credibility of what comes out of your mouth, or what you type.

WE GET IT, you really like what you believe. Yes, many of us here were in a religion at some point. 

When we get blunt with you, we are not trying to hurt you. You can consider it cold water on your face. 

GROW UP, it really will not hurt you to think and if you figure out we are right, and you are wrong, it will not be doomsday, it will simply mean we put you on the right track.

Well like it is said my friend. I'm not able to change ur view of religion nor are u able to change mine. Like u saidwe have our rights and reasons to believe what we do, obviously viewed as illogical coming from each opposite party, but it is each of our choice. So I hope I haven't offended u in anyway, sharing my beliefs I'm kinda new to this website. If I have offended u n any way I apologize, I hope u can forgive me, that was not my intention at all. So I can say to u my friend even though we go in opposite directions on our view of life, I wish u the best. ?

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I'm not denigrating your god, I am simply making factual statements about him, based on available evidence. Given what we know allah either doesn't exist (about 99% certain) or he's a giant shit (based off the fucked up instructions in the quran). You can try to prove me wrong if you want, but be warned your evidence must be far superior than the rubbish supplied to now.

If u have the time and patience I would like to share with u some of the what we as Muslims call miracles of the Qur'an. Now take it, because I have debated and responded to many posts I can't promise u that I haven't sent any of these to u already. But what I want to show u in them is how they stood out to me and opened my eyes and heart by proving factual information as verified to this day. So would u be up to taking a look at these my friend?

As I've already demonstrated conclusively, there are no miracles in th quran (you did give me bullshit about it supposedly predicting the atomic number of iron, something I tore to shreds twice), just like there are none in the bible, the torah, the bhagavad ghita, the i ching or any other holy book. You've been lied to all your life about your religuon, and its not my doing. Deal with it.

[robvalue]

Allah, and anyone else, can do whatever they want to me after I die. I don't care. Why? Because I'll be dead.

Make me into a plant pot, whatever you like.

[Brian37]

It is not about rights. It is about EVIDENCE.

NO you have NOT OFFENDED ME, your bad use of logic has YES!

If I came up to you and claimed " A magical invisible frog farted a full sized Lamborghini out of its ass"

AT BEST, most believers of any label would argue "So what's wrong with that"? Unfortunately people of all religions when you say boo to them go beyond mere words and use law and violence to squash dissent.

Yes we are opposites. But dont act like if the entire world were 7 billion Muslims suddenly everything would suddenly shit ice cream and puppies.

You like what you believe. 

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

You are still in the same boat as Christians and Jews and Hindus and Rastas and Mormons ect ect ect ect ect.

GET IN LINE TAKE A NUMBER.

Like u say get in line take a number, we have to go through this line or the other. The decision is up to us but the path or line does lead to an eternal lasting place

No it does not lead to a fictional afterlife. That is utter crap. Do you feel that a cockroach has an afterlife?  No? Now again, not just you pull this bad logic, Hindus and Buddhist would call that afterlife "reincarnation". Still a stupid gap answer that humans invent to avoid our finite existence.

Our planet is 4 billion years old. There were no god claims or religions 4 billion years ago. Our universe is 14 billion years old. The universe contains 100s of billions of galaxies. Humans OF ALL RELIGIONS are stupid to think this one tiny dot, in a hostile universe gives one shit about the myths or sky heros humans invent for false comfort.

NOW, what you don't get, which most believers don't, is that while reality has bad things in it, it also has good things in it. There is no need to gap fill with old books and fictional beings. Not yours, not any.

Nothing bad will happen to you if you give up on the horrible idea of a god. The good news is that there is no cosmic dictator who will get revenge on you if you realize he is not real. And again, we make the same arguments to Jews and Christians and Hindus and Buddhists ect ect ect ect.

It was understandable back then when humans didn't know any better that they wrote those things and started those clubs. But we have a much better understanding scientifically of what is really going on. That REAL knowledge has helped humans progress and problem solve with things like medicine and the computer you type your responses on.

WE PROMISE there is no hell for you to burn in if you figure out what we have. You can still live a productive life and be a good person and value the ride called life. We still find good in life, we still have emotions, we still feel pain, but we simply do not assign good or bad to magic.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

It is not about rights. It is about EVIDENCE.

NO you have NOT OFFENDED ME, your bad use of logic has YES!

If I came up to you and claimed " A magical invisible frog farted a full sized Lamborghini out of its ass"

AT BEST, most believers of any label would argue "So what's wrong with that"? Unfortunately people of all religions when you say boo to them go beyond mere words and use law and violence to squash dissent.

Yes we are opposites. But dont act like if the entire world were 7 billion Muslims suddenly everything would suddenly shit ice cream and puppies.

You like what you believe. 

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

You are still in the same boat as Christians and Jews and Hindus and Rastas and Mormons ect ect ect ect ect.

GET IN LINE TAKE A NUMBER.

Like u say get in line take a number, we have to go through this line or the other. The decision is up to us but the path or line does lead to an eternal lasting place

So how large will your pearl be?

[Brian37]

Allah, and anyone else, can do whatever they want to me after I die. I don't care. Why? Because I'll be dead.

Make me into a plant pot, whatever you like.

Yep, I agree, threaten me with Allah or Jesus or Apollo, or Darth Vader, fiction is still fiction. I won't care because I will be dead and it will feel exactly the same as it did before I was born. I am not that selfish as to think the universe will always need me. It did fine without me before I was born.