pop morality

[Drich]

Pop morality is a term I use to describe what the popular culture deems moral.

You mean like how it used to be so popular to kill witches and homosexuals?

Yes!

[The Grand Nudger]

My thoughts on the subject of morality are to try and get some of you to think outside the little boxes your 'morality' has placed you in. I want to show you how it has you hand over the controls of all aspects of your life, even how you think, to someone else/society if they challenge your morality in the correct context.

I am trying to show you, your chains so you can free your mind.

That's strange, I'm almost certain that you've been entreating me not to free my mind or any other part of me, but to consign myself to obedience to your shameful, slave-driving god. 

I'll leave the whole abandoning morality bit to you...you seem inclined in ways that I'm simply not and will never be. Is that another "gift" god gave you?

[The Grand Nudger]

only if you feel you were 'entitled' to more, and can not see past your own selfishness.

Hey hey, missed this one.  Snipped the babbling parts and filler clips.

Let's dig up some dead farmers so we can tell them they weren't entitled to anything other than the life you described, and that if they ever thought that maybe, just maybe they were..it was only because of their selfishness.

Add insult to injury, why not.....can't imagine who wouldn't love to hear that.

[abaris]

He also seems to think that his family narrative as being part of the oppressed is unique, that it gives him special insight.  Perhaps he doesn't understand that many of us have share croppers in our families, in living memory, at the least...and yet we still manage to see why this, in addition to slavery, was both wrong and unnecessary.  That it was exploitation.

I don't have share croppers, but I do have jews. I've always been reminded of the fact, because there's next to no extended family since 1945.

[loganonekenobi]

Why are you still babbling about morality, you don't recognize -any- morality?  All that concerns you is obedience to your master.  What's left, for you, to say about morality after that?  You excused yourself from that subject...now you want back in?

My thoughts on the subject of morality are to try and get some of you to think outside the little boxes your 'morality' has placed you in. I want to show you how it has you hand over the controls of all aspects of your life, even how you think, to someone else/society if they challenge your morality in the correct context.

I am trying to show you, your chains so you can free your mind.

Describe the box I am thinking inside of (so as to see it) describe the chains that bind my mind (so as to try to free them)
You must understand that in general the religious tend to adhere to these boxes and chains as compared to the non religious.
Also you must be aware that non believers are constantly bombarded with any and all tactics to get us "back to Jesus" as it were. So unfortunatly your message of "free you mind" is difficult to believe when it is a religious source.
I will try but you do see the problem.

[Jackalope]

I find it quite ironic that someone who's thinking is firmly constrained by iron age philosophy is accusing anyone of thinking inside the box.

It would be truly hysterical if it wasn't so sad.

[downbeatplumb]

Am I getting this right. To Drich god cannot do bad things because god is by being god good and as god is the only arbiter of good allowed god can do what the fuck she wants and still be good. Is this it or is Drich less coherent than I thought?

What I am saying is 'we' with out God can not reliably identify Good or Bad. We see as 'good' to be something that benefits us. we see Bad as something harmful. However we can not see long term effects so we judge 'good and bad' on what we 'feel' the results of an action are right away. Rather than being to determine 'good or bad' on a larger long term scale.

In that case you can use the idea of "god" to justify any horror and I reject the silly idea even more than I used to.

[abaris]

What I am saying is 'we' with out God can not reliably identify Good or Bad. We see as 'good' to be something that benefits us. we see Bad as something harmful. However we can not see long term effects so we judge 'good and bad' on what we 'feel' the results of an action are right away. Rather than being to determine 'good or bad' on a larger long term scale.

That says a whole lot more about yourself than you probably wanted to admit. And it says a whole lot more about your kind of morality than it says about religious values.

So, if there wasn't a god in your believes, you would be a selfish prick. Only looking for your own benefit. I'm not surprised and I've heard that a lot from some theists. They don't admit it, of course, but the reasoning is always the same. If there wasn't god, we would act in an entirely selfish way. One even went as far, can't remember who it was, to say that it's the only thing preventing him from going on a crime spree.

[Drich]

only if you feel you were 'entitled' to more, and can not see past your own selfishness.

Hey hey, missed this one.  Snipped the babbling parts and filler clips.

Let's dig up some dead farmers so we can tell them they weren't entitled to anything other than the life you described, and that if they ever thought that maybe, just maybe they were..it was only because of their selfishness.

Add insult to injury, why not.....can't imagine who wouldn't love to hear that.

How can you possably say any of that if you have indeed read any of what I wrote?

aliegence to God =/= strict obediance.

Again for like the 10th time, God knows we can not obtain righteousness by following the law He has set... Do you understand this? It means God never expected us to follow the complete law, as a way to become righteous. That is why Jesus died, so we could exchange our righteousness for His. Once we accept Christ's righteousness we are free from the law as our means to obtain righteousness before God.

Do you understand what this means?

Freedom from the law means we are not judged 'good/bad' by what we do. It means all the trivial shite' you guys fuss over as being moral or immoral has not real 'good or bad' value to God, and because of that we are no longer judged by it.. This is the 'freedom' in which the Bible tells us about.

[Drich]

only if you feel you were 'entitled' to more, and can not see past your own selfishness.

Hey hey, missed this one.  Snipped the babbling parts and filler clips.

Let's dig up some dead farmers so we can tell them they weren't entitled to anything other than the life you described, and that if they ever thought that maybe, just maybe they were..it was only because of their selfishness.

Add insult to injury, why not.....can't imagine who wouldn't love to hear that.

Straw man sport. I didn't say they were only entitled to the life i described. do you see how you had to quote me mid sentence to make your point? If you have to cut and paste little bits and pieces together inorder to create a narrative you want or think you can argue, then know you failed right from the start because you created a straw man fallacy.