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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:13 pm
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You were born with abilities and equipment that you could not come up with on your own as well. You also had to be taught algorithms. As a response in favor of or argument for human free will, it's not only internally inconsistent, it begs the question. As an argument against computer free will, it's a non-sequitur.
Seems to be a pattern.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 2:11 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm)pool the great Wrote: My response is that Machine learning and self modifying code users algorithms written by humans because computers can't come up with that by themselves.
How is that different than algorithms created by/informed by chemical reactions to stimuli?
Are you telling me that humans are incapable of forming algorithms?
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:15 pm
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm)pool the great Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 2:11 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: How is that different than algorithms created by/informed by chemical reactions to stimuli?
Are you telling me that humans are incapable of forming algorithms?
I'm asking you to think about how humans form those algorithms, and how that differs from other things that can create/modify their own algorithms.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:19 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm)pool the great Wrote: Are you telling me that humans are incapable of forming algorithms?
I'm asking you to think about how humans form those algorithms, and how that differs from other things that can create/modify their own algorithms. Sure.
Einstein used an algorithm to discover e=Mc^2.
How many computers have done this?since you feel there is no distinction
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:21 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 2:19 pm)pool the great Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I'm asking you to think about how humans form those algorithms, and how that differs from other things that can create/modify their own algorithms. Sure.
Einstein used an algorithm to discover e=Mc^2.
How many computers have done this?since you feel there is no distinction
Okay, so you're not actually interested in a real discussion about it. Good to know, so I won't waste any more time.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:22 pm
That response, regarding einstien, is a fallacy of relevance. Commonly referred to as a red herring, or, collectively in regards to your previous statements, a shit-and-run.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 8:06 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 1:02 pm)pool the great Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 9:14 am)Jehanne Wrote: Yes.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 8:18 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm)pool the great Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 2:11 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: How is that different than algorithms created by/informed by chemical reactions to stimuli?
Are you telling me that humans are incapable of forming algorithms?
You are your brain and we cannot act outside of it. We are not free to be anything but what brain state we have at a given time. The brain can do algotithms
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity
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