Christians, would you have saved Jesus, if you had he chance?

[Edwardo Piet]

I wouldn't save him. If I interfere he's never going to learn not to sacrifice himself to himself.

Haters gonna hate and self-sacrificing Zombie-Jews-Who-Impregnate-Their-Virgin-Mom-With-Magic-So-She-Gives-Birth-To-The-Son-Who-Is-Also-The-Father gotta self-sacrifice, you know?

[The Valkyrie]

And you don't see any problem with this?

ApeNotKillApe,

A comparison, one man fought war against evil, sacrificed himself in the war, gained victory, gave people the opportunity to share in that victory, some people wanted to continue to fight against good and died eventually.

Martin Luther King?

Apparently he also came on a barbwire fence...

[ApeNotKillApe]

I wouldn't save him. If I interfere he's never going to learn not to sacrifice himself to himself.

Haters gonna hate and self-sacrificing Zombie-Jews-Who-Impregnate-Their-Virgin-Mom-With-Magic-So-She-Gives-Birth-To-The-Son-Who-Is-Also-The-Father gotta self-sacrifice, you know?

[Silver]

Because humans must choose to work to gain life otherwise we'd be like robots with no potential to live.  Life would have no meaning.

I do not have to work to live.

In fact, the way my internal organs work, involuntarily, ensure that I live.

The only robots are those under the misconception that religion provides the only means toward living.

Life has meaning not because it is provided by an outdated religion that merely ensures more misery than any positive change within society, but because life can be realized as precious with one's mind grounded in reality.

[Thomas Kelly252525]

You might think the teaching is that people may choose to disobey God and they are due punishment because of it and that Jesus sacrifice was to help people avoid the punishment.

You might think that an almighty God killing his own son to save his own creations from his own self is not a logical teaching.

Losty,


It might be thought that the teaching is that some people murdered Jesus and God allowing it was his intervention so that people might learn the value of sacrificing themselves in the fight against evil and that some people are not willing to sacrifice themselves in the fight against evil so God must punish them.

[Silver]

It might be thought that the teaching is that some people murdered Jesus and God allowing it was his intervention so that people might learn the value of sacrificing themselves in the fight against evil and that some people are not willing to sacrifice themselves in the fight against evil so God must punish them.

Fucking hooey, as usual. Theistic fucking hooey.

[dyresand]

You might think that an almighty God killing his own son to save his own creations from his own self is not a logical teaching.

Losty,


It might be thought that the teaching is that some people murdered Jesus and God allowing it was his intervention so that people might learn the value of sacrificing themselves in the fight against evil and that some people are not willing to sacrifice themselves in the fight against evil so God must punish them.

What a load a bunk.

[Thomas Kelly252525]

Why would I want to share that "victory", and what's good about it anyway?

Rhythm,


It might be thought that the victory was an example of one person who sacrificed themself in the fight against evil and it happened so people may choose to do the same.

[Silver]

It might be thought that the victory was an example of one person who sacrificed themself in the fight against evil and it happened so people may choose to do the same.

Evil is such a convoluted term, especially in relation to the theistic way of thinking, which really isn't thinking at all.

The only evil was ever the type created by religion itself, because religious people have this tendency to believe in that which makes them veritably insane and delusional; finding evil where there is merely humanity that lives differently than the primitive mindset.

[Thomas Kelly252525]

Because humans must choose to work to gain life otherwise we'd be like robots with no potential to live.  Life would have no meaning.

--I do not have to work to live.--

Do you live off charity, other people's work or did you work for retirement ?

--In fact, the way my internal organs work, involuntarily, ensure that I live.--

It may be thought that there are uncontrolled motions in the body but control of oneself is by willpower.

--The only robots are those under the misconception that religion provides the only means toward living.--

It may be thought that the human mind, cars, computers, sky scrapers, jet fighters, mobile phones, and so on was all because of some cells from a long time ago and that these cells are the master of humanity.

--Life has meaning not because it is provided by an outdated religion that merely ensures more misery than any positive change within society, but because life can be realized as precious with one's mind grounded in reality.--

I guess the difference between us is that your knowledge and wisdom comes from cells from a long time ago, which you have no control over and you are a slave to them compared to my knowledge and wisdom coming from a supreme being who lets me choose what I want to do.

Maelstrom, you may look above at my answers.