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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 7:43 pm
You talk about an ability to see a god...and then launch off into some silly shit about value. WTF Mystic?
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 7:48 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2016 at 7:49 pm by robvalue.)
I see a star.
Someone else sees the same star and either:
(1) Actually sees some other stuff I can't see
Or
(2) Projects a load of meaning onto the star, and draws conclusions based on emotions
I don't know what else can be going on. I feel like some theists aren't living in the same reality as me.
Is there more going on in the sky, and with the star, than I'm aware of? Almost certainly. What do I know about it? Nothing. I'm not aware of it.
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 7:52 pm
Does free-will at all play a role in how you "love" a person or praise a person, or is it all forced by instinct?
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 7:53 pm
When you respect a person, what is the belief of respect based upon? Why do you respect some people more then others?
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 7:55 pm
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 7:56 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2016 at 7:57 pm by Mystic.)
(July 1, 2016 at 7:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You talk about an ability to see a god...and then launch off into some silly shit about value. WTF Mystic?
The issue to me is when people cannot even perceive they have exact objective value, it's not due to such things not being manifest knowledge we see and know, but it's due to people wanting to due do away with all spiritual signs of God.
It's no wonder these same people also say "we can't see God".
When you become honest to yourself, then you can see a lot with the eyes of the soul, and you can see God clearly. Or rather when one stops their rebellion against the Divine and the connections to him, then they can easily recognize the link of God and his living breathing name with us.
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 8:00 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2016 at 8:01 pm by Veritas_Vincit.)
(July 1, 2016 at 7:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Does free-will at all play a role in how you "love" a person or praise a person, or is it all forced by instinct?
Free will is an illusion.
First of all we don't have free will over the circumstances we find ourselves in. We don't choose what choices we have to make.
Secondly we don't have free will over what our preference will be, what our experiences that influence our decisions are, other influencing factors - IE social, historical, cultural bias etc.
Thirdly neuroscience has disproved free will in that they can look at your brain and know what choice you will make up to 5 seconds before you are aware of making it. You don't really make a choice, you become aware of it and then rationalise it.
I don't choose to be hungry, nor do I choose to enjoy eating. I have preferences and pleasures and passions but I don't control what they are, I simply respond. It just happens.
(July 1, 2016 at 7:53 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: When you respect a person, what is the belief of respect based upon? Why do you respect some people more then others?
Because some people are more awesome than others.
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 8:02 pm
How can you praise a single person for a single act without belief in free-will though?
What are you praising if they had no choice in the matter?
What are you actually respecting?
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 8:04 pm
(July 1, 2016 at 8:00 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: Because some people are more awesome than others.
Awesome for what? You don't believe in free-will or merit type value. And are they objectively more awesome or is this a subjective awesome to you? And if it's the latter, what is the belief based upon?
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 1, 2016 at 8:05 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2016 at 8:07 pm by Veritas_Vincit.)
(July 1, 2016 at 8:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: How can you praise a single person for a single act without belief in free-will though?
What are you praising if they had no choice in the matter?
What are you actually respecting?
How can I without free will? I can't help it, it just happens ;-)
I respect awesomeness. Respect is the appreciation of awesomeness.
Dude when you like music it's not an act of free will, correct? You are respecting the people who have managed to do something amazing or something you enjoy / appreciate. Simple.
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