10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer

[The Valkyrie]

He puts a treat on their nose.  "You were gonna kill your kid like a good boy, you're such a good boy, now roll over".  -Even my dog knows better.

That's exactly what it seems like to me.

[John V]

You beat me to the punchline with this test of faith malarkey. The problem of omniscience sends the theists into a flat spin, they know they can't address it so they either lie, or ignore it. In the beginning...
Why did god get all so bent out of shape when he copped A&E chomping on the magic apple? He knew the end result before he created them, and least we forget, omnipresence. Not only did he know what they would do, he watched them do it! What the fuck?
alpha male; could you address this please.

Sure.

First...atheists use omniscience selectively to create false issues. Here, you're apparently taking the standard atheist position that omniscience precludes choice...yet you're only applying it to A&E, and not God himself. Are God's own actions not part of His omniscience? Why not? If God's own actions are included in His omniscience, then why do you act as if he had a choice about getting "bent out of shape"?

I'll let you address that before continuing.

[vorlon13]

Exploring and learning about omniscience (and omnipresence) via looking at and examining various scenarios and how they would play out would be replaced with what ?

[Mister Agenda]

You beat me to the punchline with this test of faith malarkey. The problem of omniscience sends the theists into a flat spin, they know they can't address it so they either lie, or ignore it. In the beginning...
Why did god get all so bent out of shape when he copped A&E chomping on the magic apple? He knew the end result before he created them, and least we forget, omnipresence. Not only did he know what they would do, he watched them do it! What the fuck?
alpha male; could you address this please.

Sure.

First...atheists use omniscience selectively to create false issues. Here, you're apparently taking the standard atheist position that omniscience precludes choice...yet you're only applying it to A&E, and not God himself. Are God's own actions not part of His omniscience? Why not? If God's own actions are included in His omniscience, then why do you act as if he had a choice about getting "bent out of shape"?

I'll let you address that before continuing.

I agree: God by definition has no free will since that would be contradictory to his omniscience. He cannot do anything that he did not foresee himself doing. Therefore he holds no responsibility for any of his actions and is more like a powerful automaton than a person.

[John V]

Sure.

First...atheists use omniscience selectively to create false issues. Here, you're apparently taking the standard atheist position that omniscience precludes choice...yet you're only applying it to A&E, and not God himself. Are God's own actions not part of His omniscience? Why not? If God's own actions are included in His omniscience, then why do you act as if he had a choice about getting "bent out of shape"?

I'll let you address that before continuing.

I agree: God by definition has no free will since that would be contradictory to his omniscience. He cannot do anything that he did not foresee himself doing. Therefore he holds no responsibility for any of his actions and is more like a powerful automaton than a person.

Yep. A person who believes that omniscience precludes free will, then judges god for judging men, is doing exactly what they're condemning in god.

[The Grand Nudger]

Nope.  Mostly since men do not have (and do not claim to posess) those attributes which make that judgement absurd in the first place.  Not that it would matter, since an appeal to hypocrisy tells us only that both parties would be wrong.

Somehow I doubt that this is what you intended to communicate -that god and men are both unjustified in judging each other.  Both wrong. Both automatons.

In any case, omniscience precludes -our- free will..but we don't possess omniscience ourselves...so it's not our own knowledge that does that. Does god's knowledge, in your opinion, preclude gods free will as it would our own? Is he, in your estimation, a mindless automaton? Or is he a willful being making righteous judgement upon lesser entities?

[John V]

In any case, omniscience precludes -our- free will..but we don't possess omniscience ourselves...so it's not our own knowledge that does that.  Does god's knowledge, in your opinion, preclude gods free will as it would our own?

No one's given a reason that it wouldn't, so at this point - yes, a person who thinks that omniscience precludes free will should also think that God is without free will.

Is he, in your estimation, a mindless automaton?  

No.

[The Grand Nudger]

No one's given a reason that it wouldn't, so at this point - yes, a person who thinks that omniscience precludes free will should also think that God is without free will.

Unless god's a special case.  OFC you believe that god is that special case, in just about every way - so it's likely that people are responding to that special case concept of god that everyone involved knows damned well you believe in...don't you think? Perhaps god's future actions are unknowable even though ours are knowable..at least to him. Since god only knows what can be known, he can't know what he will do someday. Mysterious ways, and all that, lol.

No.

-ta dah.  Glad to clear that up for you. Some People™ wonder why an intentional god with free will and attributes that would both preclude our own free will, affirm it's absolute righteousness, and establish it's status as the creator... finds itself judging automatons for what he always knew they would do, after creating them exactly the way that he did.

"You too!" might work for 90% of the shit you personally get called out on in life, but it won't address that. Is it an article of christer faith that any question as to the consistency of this "god" nonsense can be sufficiently answered with batshit accusations?

Personally, I;m fine with the notion of some sort of automaton god - and that's certainly been a common concept of god throughout time and culture, so much so that it echoes in christian apologetics, with god unable to do or be evil because that;s against it's nature. If gods behavior is somehow directed by his nature as ours is obviously directed by our own, then that god would have no more control over what it did than we do. OTOH, then, god's actions would just be natural, not right. We commonly accept that people incapable of self control are not..themselves, moral agents..though we can usually identify what they;ve done as an immoral act. Some of the criminally insane, for example. Ultimately..it makes more sense than endless special cases and categorical inconsistencies - it might also explain botflies. I'm not convinced that god exists either, but it's a logical step up from your own.

[John V]

Unless god's a special case.

On what basis? I'm willing to entertain the argument, but so far, no one has given a rationale for that position.

[Succubus]

Sure.

First...atheists use omniscience selectively to create false issues. Here, you're apparently taking the standard atheist position that omniscience precludes choice...yet you're only applying it to A&E, and not God himself. Are God's own actions not part of His omniscience? Why not? If God's own actions are included in His omniscience, then why do you act as if he had a choice about getting "bent out of shape"?

I'll let you address that before continuing.

I can't address it because I don't have the remotest idea what it means, and I'm pretty sure you don't either.
How does it address this: "Not only did he know what they would do, he watched them do it!"
"And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?"

Ok, here's another one you wont get.
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."

The lord repented for a scenario of his own devising and knew the consequences of an ∞ number of years ago? Infinity is a long time to repent, outwitted by the talking snake he himself programmed. He knew exactly what the snake would say, so why didn't this daft bastard of an omni-everything god scrap the whole thing and start again? It's all sooo confusing.