last time I made a "scout" thread..

[FatAndFaithless]

Hmm, so I just had a thought. what will boys with feminine interests do(maybe they are more on the feminine side or like boys, that sort of thing)? Like do they have some facilities for that? If for example a boy actually likes or even prefer baking cookies and such can he join girl scouts?

Can you clear this up, Tiberius? What is done for boys with feminine interests(the kind of boys that like other boys for example). Are they allowed participation in activities and such like baking (like in girl scouts). I'm asking you because you seem to be well educated on this case. I feel like sometimes when people get busy chasing after the masculine ideal they forget about boys that want no part of it.

...I wouldn't call being a male being gay a 'feminine interest'...it's kind of the opposite by definition, and I think focusing on femininity and masculinity is at best a red herring and at worst rather toxic.  Implying that gay dudes are somehow automatically more drawn towards 'feminine activities' is pretty shitty and outdated.

Anyway, the girl scouts are an entirely separate organization with their own rules and directors - and they're actually against this move by the boy scouts since it will affect their membership numbers.  As far as I know the girl scouts don't let boys join, which is shitty.  The boy scouts are under no obligation to offer things like baking and such, but if anyone (boy or girl) wants to get into that, I'm sure there are plenty of groups they could join (or start).

[Tiberius]

Hmm, so I just had a thought. what will boys with feminine interests do(maybe they are more on the feminine side or like boys, that sort of thing)? Like do they have some facilities for that? If for example a boy actually likes or even prefer baking cookies and such can he join girl scouts?

Can you clear this up, Tiberius? What is done for boys with feminine interests(the kind of boys that like other boys for example). Are they allowed participation in activities and such like baking (like in girl scouts). I'm asking you because you seem to be well educated on this case. I feel like sometimes when people get busy chasing after the masculine ideal they forget about boys that want no part of it.

The girl scouts allow anyone who identifies as a girl, which includes children who are physically "boys". However the organization doesn't just allow any boy to join. They are a separate organization from the boy scouts though, and it's up to them whether they change their rules.

[Amarok]

When was baking cookies feminine ? .Considering a large portion of bakers are men and always have been men . As for those who wish to pursue such a thing their are plenty of cooking programs out their .

[The Industrial Atheist]

I believe the boys and girls will be seperate anyway.

[LastPoet]

I guess this is an american thing.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I was thinking something like that, American culture seems to revolve a lot around being as masculine as possible, showing everyone how tough you are, flaunting masculinity, showcasing how secure you are in your masculinity, that sort of things, I guess that's what feminists mean when they talk about fragile masculinity. Everyone, both boys and girls, seem to be encouraged to 'be one of the boys' in a desperate attempt to have a glimpse of the divine masculine tm. I'm just saying being super tough isn't the only way to be cool, some kids both boys and girls do prefer..*gasp*. ..not so masculine activities and it's equally important to give them equal care.

[Jackalope]

I was thinking something like that, American culture seems to revolve a lot around being as masculine as possible, showing everyone how tough you are, flaunting masculinity, showcasing how secure you are in your masculinity, that sort of things, I guess that's what feminists mean when they talk about fragile masculinity. Everyone, both boys and girls, seem to be encouraged to 'be one of the boys' in a desperate attempt to have a glimpse of the divine masculine tm. I'm just saying being super tough isn't the only way to be cool, some kids both boys and girls do prefer..*gasp*. ..not so masculine activities and it's equally important to give them equal care.

There certainly a lot of people for whom the above is true, there likewise are a lot who unequivocally reject it.

[Pat Mustard]

Stupid people should be made/FORCED to understand there are always multiple perspectives. And while no one is compelling the BSA to accept girls, the BSA is indeed FORCING all of it's affiliates to accept this new rule. meaning no one is able to opt out.. Do you now understand moron?

Yes dripshit, you're right. People like you should be forced to realise and understand that a) other people have views too, and b) quite often other people's views are more valid and deserving of our respect than yours.

[JackRussell]

I was thinking something like that, American culture seems to revolve a lot around being as masculine as possible, showing everyone how tough you are, flaunting masculinity, showcasing how secure you are in your masculinity, that sort of things, I guess that's what feminists mean when they talk about fragile masculinity. Everyone, both boys and girls, seem to be encouraged to 'be one of the boys' in a desperate attempt to have a glimpse of the divine masculine tm. I'm just saying being super tough isn't the only way to be cool, some kids both boys and girls do prefer..*gasp*. ..not so masculine activities and it's equally important to give them equal care.

There certainly a lot of people for whom the above is true, there likewise are a lot who unequivocally reject it.

Yes, force is absolutely wrong.

Exodus 21

[Catholic_Lady]

I was thinking something like that, American culture seems to revolve a lot around being as masculine as possible, showing everyone how tough you are, flaunting masculinity, showcasing how secure you are in your masculinity, that sort of things, I guess that's what feminists mean when they talk about fragile masculinity. Everyone, both boys and girls, seem to be encouraged to 'be one of the boys' in a desperate attempt to have a glimpse of the divine masculine tm. I'm just saying being super tough isn't the only way to be cool, some kids both boys and girls do prefer..*gasp*. ..not so masculine activities and it's equally important to give them equal care.

I am one of the people who supports acknowledging the differences and special characteristics of masculine and feminine traits.

But I wouldn't describe masculinity as what you describe above. I would say masculinity is being courageous, emotionally strong, and willing to die to protect those who are weaker. Not in a macho sort of way, but in a sacrificial, humble sort of way. To sum it up, masculinity is being "a man for others", if you will. My husband has a key chain given to him by one of his scout masters when he got his Eagle with those words engraved into it. It's kind of a boy scout motto.

Femininity I would describe as being compassionate, nurturing, and intuitive. The newest Wonder Women movie portrayed this so well. Diana was strong and brave, but they made it a point in the movie to portray her compassion, her draw towards babies, and her intuition about other people - which set her apart in a special way from the men she was fighting alongside.

Now this doesn't mean women aren't or shouldn't be brave, strong, etc.... and vice versa. Men should absolutely also be compassionate, etc. But there are certain virtues that come inherently more naturally to women and others that do so for men. But that's the beauty of it I think. The sexes can learn from each other and compliment each other. Neither one is better than the other.