For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.

[I_am_not_mafia]

The mechanism is not understood.

I find it amazing how religionists like Stevell and Godschild will just blatantly say something to be the true because they wish it were. Yes, the mechanisms in evolution are well understood. Just because it is being ever refined does not mean to say that it is not understood. It has been this way for a while now. The theory of evolution has been tested many times, both in theory using computer programs and in practice through experiments with breeding animals, on bacteria, and through observations in the wild.

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Also, mutations increase the information content.

 No it's not you've been fooled and/or brainwashed into think it can be tested and it's only a theory.

 Mutations are a loss of information not a gain, the loss comes from what is already there and it's actually not loss, it's replaced by something else already there. No new info at all, period.

I learnt this from the scientific literature where papers are written based on reproducible evidence. I have used this to practical effect myself for many years.

If you start with a completely randomised population of genotypes then using only the crossover operator you will end up with a far less varied population over time, even if you do not have a fitness function acting as selective pressure. Only the mutation operator can increase the information content of the genotype.

You need to know this to understand how to design your genetic algorithm and how to set your mutation rate.

You on the other hand Godscreated are just reading this from creationist authors who do not understand the theory of evolution and wish it did not exist.

It is clear that neither you nor the creationist authors you parrot even understand the well defined concept of information.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

There are no lies in the Bible, all truths.

GC

Sorry, but that's simply untrue.  We know, beyond all possible doubt, that there are bits of the Bible that were added at various times, emendations put in by people with an agenda.  Furthermore, even Paul admits to telling lies, so there are lies in the Bible.  Sleep well.


Boru

[I_am_not_mafia]

Here's a question for you Godscreated. I shall give you some strings of characters.

Which string contains the most data and which contains the most information?


String A:

0000000000000000000000000000000000000000


String B:

123456789012345678901234567890


String C:

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1234

[Angrboda]

And what's going to stop it?

Typical of you.  When reality delivers a result you don't like, you simply deny reality.

 A hypothetical is not reality now is it,

A hypothetical may represent reality, it may not; you can judge nothing about whether it is realistic simply because I referred to it as a hypothetical.

and you don't like it when I'm right, sorry but right is right and C can never be,

I like it even less when you're not right and only think you are.

not enough info for C.

You're just restating your original claim which the example disproved.  If you don't have an actual reason why a series of mutations can't reverse the process which resulted in a loss of information, you're effectively claiming that "it can't be because it can't be."  That's just dogmatic denial.  If you have no justification for why you believe this cannot occur other than to quote the alleged law that the example put into question, then you're just begging the question.  And that's a fallacy.  Which means that there is no credible reason to believe your conclusion is true.

In other words, you're still wrong, though you're inventing new ways to be so.

[RoadRunner79]

What are the facts of evolution, which are not to be questioned?

I have heard it said (and I believe it to be hyperbole) some question how we can have engineers, chemist, doctors, or painters that do not believe in evolution.  How can they still do their job?

However, I am going to have serious doubts about going to a doctor (except for perhaps the most simple of things) who does not believe that the body is a complex system, specifically organized and composed for a defined function.

[Jehanne]

Never, ever, ever, has an atheist told me (or, so far as I know, anyone else!) to "stay away from the Bible"!

In fact, I would recommend to any doubting Christian that they continue to read the Bible.  Even Richard Dawkins reads the Bible, "for Christ's sake".

A "million year discussion"?  Sounds like Hell to me!

 I knew you were going to get mad. I didn't refer to you now did I, it was others of your kind I referred to. No discussions in hell,

GC

I'm not mad; in fact, I feel sorry for you.  I hope that you don't waste the rest of your life on nonsense.

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What are the facts of evolution, which are not to be questioned?

I have heard it said (and I believe it to be hyperbole) some question how we can have engineers, chemist, doctors, or painters that do not believe in evolution.  How can they still do their job?

However, I am going to have serious doubts about going to a doctor (except for perhaps the most simple of things) who does not believe that the body is a complex system, specifically organized and composed for a defined function.

There is a physicist who is a geocentrist, but he still publishes papers in physics.  Just Google him.

[Nay_Sayer]

And what's going to stop it?

Typical of you.  When reality delivers a result you don't like, you simply deny reality.

 A hypothetical is not reality now is it, and you don't like it when I'm right, sorry but right is right and C can never be, not enough info for C.

GC

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I'd love to reply to you given you could ever string together a coherent sentence or question.

I'll pray you gain the ability.
RAmen

 God want listen to that kinda' prayer from a non-believer. Also you might find me responding to your posts if you act like an adult and use decent language.

GC

I can't parse your eels.  You are astoundingly incorrect. I am a believer, devout actually and while you can reject my prayers, I will continue to ask the real god to heal your broken mind and fill your empty heart.

RAmen

[The Grand Nudger]

What are the facts of evolution, which are not to be questioned?

I have heard it said (and I believe it to be hyperbole) some question how we can have engineers, chemist, doctors, or painters that do not believe in evolution.  How can they still do their job?

However, I am going to have serious doubts about going to a doctor (except for perhaps the most simple of things) who does not believe that the body is a complex system, specifically organized and composed for a defined function.

For starters..that it occurs.  The theory of evolution does not refer to the theory that evolution occurs, but to the explanation for the demonstrable fact that it does.

[downbeatplumb]

What are the facts of evolution, which are not to be questioned?

I have heard it said (and I believe it to be hyperbole) some question how we can have engineers, chemist, doctors, or painters that do not believe in evolution.  How can they still do their job?

I suppose the doctor would just be a bad doctor, but as for the painter and chemist I suppose it dosent really matter if they are ignorant of evolution. Some people just don't need to know the truth. Being ignorant doesn't seem to have done you any harm.

However, I am going to have serious doubts about going to a doctor (except for perhaps the most simple of things) who does not believe that the body is a complex system, specifically organized and composed for a defined function.

I would hope that most doctors are aware of the complexity of the body, after all, billions of years of evolution has left its clear marks mark on our sorry bodies which modern medicine needs to combat to give us better lives than in the past.

For example we bear the spine of a four legged creature which is ill adapted to an upright gait. ladies hips are too narrow for safe child birth and why put the bum so near to where the babies are! it's just insane!
Our mouths are linked to our breathing.
I could go on, there are all sorts of problems that our evolution has not been sufficient to remove.

[JackRussell]

What are the facts of evolution, which are not to be questioned?

I have heard it said (and I believe it to be hyperbole) some question how we can have engineers, chemist, doctors, or painters that do not believe in evolution.  How can they still do their job?

However, I am going to have serious doubts about going to a doctor (except for perhaps the most simple of things) who does not believe that the body is a complex system, specifically organized and composed for a defined function.

That can do their jobs because they have relevant training to do their tasks, whilst also not understanding evolution.