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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:49 pm
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I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree Whatevs. The answer from both abrahamic camps appears to be "It's totally worth it, if I get into heaven". 
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:50 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:43 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Unlike US nuking two cities in Japan, God has the right to take away life, and when a nation is oppressive, he has the right to destroy it.
So, it's perfectly fine for god to instruct humans to rape young girls and murder babies, because he's the big bad boss and he has the right to? Thank you for showing us your disgusting true colors, MK. Wasn't this a discussion about morality?
God never allows rape or to murder babies. He can destroy nations if he likes.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:53 pm
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Allows it? He commands it, and sometimes..when he's bored or just feeling pissy...does it himself. You know how tuesdays are slow..nothing like a little genocide to pep up a rainy day.
We're even told he impregnated a very young girl wandering in the desert once...but she was probably asking for it.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:54 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I am saying it's not possible for God to create himself. It only leaves create will than must choose itself the path it wants to walk.
Do you understand the significance of 'scare quotes'?
(November 7, 2017 at 10:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't understand why you guys just want to argue for sake of arguing. Some of the more renown smart Atheist Philosophers believe the problem of evil has been solved.
No religion-less person recognizes a problem of evil. It is only a problem for those who believe a perfect being created a perfect creation which has obvious flaws to those not imbibing the koolaid. But you make a good point, there isn't much point in arguing with you while you lack coherence. Catholic lady on the other hand seems much more worth the effort. At the very least we may gain some insight into how reasonable people can come to disagree.
It is not actually a problem for anyone. It's intellectually dishonest. Kids see evil and they understand there is a mystery to the world. Atheists are like frustrated kids who say I don't understand and so one else does.
You guys constantly just reassert that you don't know and so no one else does.
There is no problem. If you don't know, leave the mystery a lone. Build ground up from what you know.
Elephant in the room, you can derive God from his name in so many ways.
You can just assess love and it would lead you to God.
You can asses evil and responsibility and it would lead you to God.
You can assess beauty and it would lead you to God.
You can assess value and praise, etc...
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:55 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Allows it? He commands it, and sometimes..when he's bored or just feeling pissy...does it himself. You know how tuesdays are slow..nothing like a little genocide to pep up a rainy day.
Not to mention allowing it is just as bad as commanding it .
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:55 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Allows it? He commands it, and sometimes..when he's bored or just feeling pissy...does it himself. You know how tuesdays are slow..nothing like a little genocide to pep up a rainy day.
I am not here to defend the Bible so I won't. Don't sidetrack the discussion to that please.
Thank you.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:58 pm
These are your gods stories. It seems strange that you would distance yourself from them? Should I go back to God Part Trois, Return of the Douche, now?
Not exactly suffering for a lack of material there, you realize.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 10:59 pm
I would say since babies are murdered, and women are raped every day, he most certainly allows it, no matter which holy text you're reading from.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 11:03 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 10:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I would say since babies are murdered, and women are raped every day, he most certainly allows it, no matter which holy text you're reading from.
Allow depends on what you mean, the light of God and proof of God commands we do all out resolve and help to stop rape, muder, and corruption in the earth.
But he doesn't force us to obey his light and command and proof and the leader of ours, that is true, but never the less, he does permit it to happen in only one sense.
This subject is discussed in Quran, and I am saying you will find everything you guys repeat there and God has responses to them.
Give it a read.
I don't understand all humans, but God does. He understands all possible deviations and the cure and way back to the path. So give it a read.
I am not saying to go to it reading it believing it is from God, I am saying give religions their due, and try to give a chance to guide you through his proper religion in midst of the many false swords, inshallalh, you will find the true sword of God that will give you wisdom and peace.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 11:04 pm
(November 7, 2017 at 9:51 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God's ways are higher and understand his ways best, is a valid response, if someone doesn't know why but is sure God exists. Despite Atheists hating it.
If by "valid," you mean "dodging the philosophical issues with evil in an attempt to make an irrational fairy tale seem plausible," then okay.
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