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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 13, 2018 at 12:13 pm
(February 9, 2018 at 8:33 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: If they think there is an afterlife then why do they fear death? In the case of christians, many of them believe in Hell, so this might explain it. But why do they still cry if a loved one dies who respected all the christian rules in their lifetime?
It's not true that theists are afraid of death, or at least they shouldn't ...
because faith doesn't allow it... 
Only those who doubt are afraid....or the people who more afraid of God's wrath than they believe in his mercy.
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 13, 2018 at 1:48 pm
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(February 13, 2018 at 8:53 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (February 12, 2018 at 8:14 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That they aren't for you would make any person question your faith. Recall, christians don't mind telling other people that getting it wrong will lead to an eternity in hell. This is another issue of concern for atheists...for all of the ways christians attempt to shittify the lives of others...they don't seem to believe their own nonsense. It's almost as if the whole set is a bunch of cynical busybodies......
I think that you have a distorted view of the Gospel and Christians. So your provoking me, by questioning my faith is not that bothersome.
I don't know of any scripture, that says that there is going to be a theological test, that you must pass in order to be saved. Further, I don't think that their is a scripture that says that you have to be a part of this particular church to be saved. If you think it does, then show why you think that.
So in this way I would agree with you... I don't believe what you seem to be putting forth. But I'm not saying that you need to either. Also most of the other Christians that I know, don't seem to fit what you seem to be describing either. So whether you where taught poorly, have an , or you are just an angry atheists who takes the worst of everything or twists it to be so in order to make an argument. I don't think that we are taking about the same thing.
See, this is where doubts about the sincerity of the christian faith in contemporary society arise. You either don't know magic book or are willing to deny magic book when speaking about magic book to a less-than-supportive audience. How can you have faith in something you don;t know about, and if you did know and had faith would you be so eager to distance yourself from it in response to criticism of what could only be Other Christians™..other than yourself, as a purportedly faithful and absolutely not cynical busybody? Those guys are assholes who have absolutely failed the theological test, surely we can agree there...with "jesus", lol?
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 13, 2018 at 4:32 pm
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(February 13, 2018 at 8:53 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't know of any scripture, that says that there is going to be a theological test, that you must pass in order to be saved.
How do you call this test then:
Whoever does not abide in me is thrown away like a branch and withers; such branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. - John 15:6
Seems he will punish those that believe in other god or just don't believe in him - is that not a theological test?
(February 13, 2018 at 8:53 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Further, I don't think that their is a scripture that says that you have to be a part of this particular church to be saved. If you think it does, then show why you think that.
The Bible does seem to indicate that not everyone who believes in Jesus is doing the right thing/ be saved, like:
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. James 2:19
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God. Mark 3:11
And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying ... I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. Mark 1:23-24
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 13, 2018 at 5:59 pm
So very, very many rules in Leviticus, there has to be nagging doubts about ignoring so many of them among believers.
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 14, 2018 at 6:01 am
(February 13, 2018 at 5:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: So very, very many rules in Leviticus, there has to be nagging doubts about ignoring so many of them among believers.
I hope you don't mind if I make a correction in your post. 
So very, very many rules in Leviticus, there has to be nagging doubts about ignoring so many of them among religious people. 
Thanks mate. 
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 14, 2018 at 6:24 am
(February 13, 2018 at 10:42 am)Little Rik Wrote: (February 13, 2018 at 10:27 am)Cod Wrote: In an oak casket on my mantelpiece.
Oh, very good Cod. 
I always knew that you are a smart guy. 
I am sure that you will share this evidence with your good friend LR. 
Yeah no problem, there are the ashes of a dead person in a box on my mantelpiece.
Now, if you want to believe that she is now struggling living another life that's up to you, whatever helps you sleep.
Your fantasies may be comforting, but that is all they are, fantasies. Reality is harsh and hard to take, but that is what we're stuck with.
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 15, 2018 at 5:45 am
(February 14, 2018 at 6:24 am)Cod Wrote: (February 13, 2018 at 10:42 am)Little Rik Wrote: Oh, very good Cod.
I always knew that you are a smart guy.
I am sure that you will share this evidence with your good friend LR.
Yeah no problem, there are the ashes of a dead person in a box on my mantelpiece.
Now, if you want to believe that she is now struggling living another life that's up to you, whatever helps you sleep.
Your fantasies may be comforting, but that is all they are, fantasies. Reality is harsh and hard to take, but that is what we're stuck with.
Gee, I couldn't agree more with your last statement (marked in color by me) that is why i keep on saying not to expect anything when there is no evidence.
And I mean you Cod mate. 
You still haven't got a piece of evidence to state with absolute certainty that when the body die you also die.
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
March 4, 2018 at 9:05 pm
(February 9, 2018 at 8:33 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: If they think there is an afterlife then why do they fear death? In the case of christians, many of them believe in Hell, so this might explain it. But why do they still cry if a loved one dies who respected all the christian rules in their lifetime?
I guess they're not as confident about the existence of an afterlife as they're pretending to be. Or they may just be sad that their lives on earth are ending, which means they won't be in touch with their loved ones until they die as well.
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
March 4, 2018 at 11:18 pm
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
March 8, 2018 at 4:57 pm
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I don't know.
I blame the bad deeds of most humans. Check this verse from the Quran:
Quote:Sura 62, The Quran:
( 6 ) Say, "O you who are Jews, if you claim that you are allies of Allah, excluding the [other] people, then wish for death, if you should be truthful."
( 7 ) But they will not wish for it, ever, because of what their hands have put forth. And Allah is Knowing of the wrongdoers.
People know what they did in their lives, even if they claimed innocence. In other words; a sinner is not fooling anybody.
Don't believe somebody who gets up on a high horse and claim pureness, even if they hide behind institutions like the Catholic Church, or a dome like the Islamic Azhar Mosque, or an invaded ex-Muslim temple turned Jewish in Palestine.
In different words: I think real believers know their true deeds, so they're embarrassed from many of them; and know it might lead them straight to hell.
Or at least to some kind of torture by God upon death.
That is scary.
And ironically hilarious and sad when you consider theistic ways of belief like the Islamic Shiite/Sunni promise of heaven for followers of the sect, Catholic "messiah"/"Confession" concept, and Jewish "God's chosen people" stuff...It makes you think deeply.
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