What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?

[Whateverist]

So what YEC's believe is not consistent with what science knows to be the case. Well played God, way to throw us off the track. Strange and mysterious indeed.

[He lives]

There were 7 periods of creation time mentioned in the book of Genesis which were called days. We also read:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 3:8)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Yep, the old 2 Peter gambit.

You do know -- don't you? -- that 2 Peter was written at a time when Jesus' failure to return within the lives of his followers had become something of an embarrassment and a scandal. Hence, the spin. And here we are, two-thousand years (or "two days" if you prefer) later, and idiots are still falling for that spin and waiting for that return.

Any minute now . . . 

First of all we know that those days were not earth days because earth days didn't exist yet, they did not exist until the fourth day of creation. Therefore it would be extremely unwise to say they were after the reckoning of earth days. Peter had the Holy Spirit to guide him as did the other apostles.

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There were 7 periods of creation time mentioned in the book of Genesis which were called days. We also read:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 3:8)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

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What you are stating is an opinion and not fact.

What I'm stating is backed by thousands of studies and millions of books of verified data.  This is not "opinion".  These are accepted scientific truths to most of the people on this planet.  What you are stating as fact is equivalent to:  "my comic book says that Superman comes from Krypton".  Therefore, Superman exists, Krypton used to exist, and anyone that says otherwise is only stating an opinion!

I suppose that is the way you see it. There are also millions of books stating otherwise. Abiogenesis is a dead end. Where are all of the so called species to be found that were between the monkey and man?

[drfuzzy]

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Yep, the old 2 Peter gambit.

You do know -- don't you? -- that 2 Peter was written at a time when Jesus' failure to return within the lives of his followers had become something of an embarrassment and a scandal. Hence, the spin. And here we are, two-thousand years (or "two days" if you prefer) later, and idiots are still falling for that spin and waiting for that return.

Any minute now . . . 

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First of all we know that those days were not earth days because earth days didn't exist yet, they did not exist until the fourth day of creation. Therefore it would be extremely unwise to say they were after the reckoning of earth days. Peter had the Holy Spirit to guide him as did the other apostles.

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What I'm stating is backed by thousands of studies and millions of books of verified data.  This is not "opinion".  These are accepted scientific truths to most of the people on this planet.  What you are stating as fact is equivalent to:  "my comic book says that Superman comes from Krypton".  Therefore, Superman exists, Krypton used to exist, and anyone that says otherwise is only stating an opinion!

I suppose that is the way you see it. There are also millions of books stating otherwise. Abiogenesis is a dead end. Where are all of the so called species to be found that were between the monkey and man?

That has to be one of the most ignorant questions ever posted on this forum.

[The Grand Nudger]

I like the "so called species" part, though.  We've got a species skeptic on our hands.

[Crossless2.0]

I like the "so called species" part, though.  We've got a species skeptic on our hands.

"Kinds" in 3, 2, 1 . . .

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That has to be one of the most ignorant questions ever posted on this forum.

I think there are several good contenders in this thread alone.

[He lives]

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First of all we know that those days were not earth days because earth days didn't exist yet, they did not exist until the fourth day of creation. Therefore it would be extremely unwise to say they were after the reckoning of earth days. Peter had the Holy Spirit to guide him as did the other apostles.

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I suppose that is the way you see it. There are also millions of books stating otherwise. Abiogenesis is a dead end. Where are all of the so called species to be found that were between the monkey and man?

That has to be one of the most ignorant questions ever posted on this forum.

There are millions of monkeys and billions of men, so where are the brillions of links between  the monkey and the man? I think that is a fair question.

[The Grand Nudger]

Is a "brillion" like the number version of a crocoduck..or, in context, a manomonkey?

[He lives]

There were 7 periods of creation time mentioned in the book of Genesis which were called days. We also read:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 3:8)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Then it it took seven Not Earth Days™.  This is the necessary amount of time for all of creation, according to magic book.  On the fifth Not Earth Day "god" makes fish and birds (and whales and what have you).

The fourth Not Earth Day god having made the stars and sun and moon.

The third Not Earth Day god having made plants and trees.

The sixth..for reference, god goes on to create land animals and man.  

...and you think that genesis gets the order right, somehow?  Let's explore.

Sharks would disagree.  They predate trees, if they were created..then they would have to be created on or before the third day - not the fifth.  The whales would disagree.  They were land animals that went to water.  If they were created..they were created on the sixth day.......not the fifth.  The stars and the sun and the moon have a hell of a grievance in placement.  There's an amusing disparity with the plants in their own right....because flowers are younger than mammals but older than humans.......so somewhere on the 6th day (and pretty close to the end) would have to be when they were created..if they were created...not the third.

So you believe sharks were created before plants? How is that possible since animals, fish, and birds need plants to survive? What did the mammals live on if there were no plants? They could not survive on mud. All I can say is wow.

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Is a "brillion" like the number version of a crocoduck..or, in context, a manomonkey?

It is a number between a billion and a trillion

[The Grand Nudger]

So you believe sharks were created before plants?

OFC not, but I'm not a silly creationist. I don't think that sharks or anything else were created at all.


We do know, though, that sharks as a species have been here longer than trees and much longer than flowers..both of which are plants and explicitly addressed in magic book.  

So if there was an order of creation, and some list accurately described it, sharks would appear earlier on the list than trees or flowers because they do appear earlier than trees and flowers....but this is not the order we find in magic book. Just as we know that whales were land mammals and would then have to have been created when land mammals were created and not when sharks were created.

[Amarok]

He live not understanding fossilization or transitional forms . And no serious scientific books say abiogenesis is a dead end

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It is a number between a billion and a trillion

No it's just stupid like your comment on transitional forms .

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Rationalwiki is propaganda.

Nope Evolution news is propaganda . Rationalwiki is information . Of course i don't even need it to prove Evolution news is propaganda . I just had that article on hand . 

There are 440 scientists working for years on the human genome making millions of dollars, and they still haven't figured it out. That is not complicated?

Did i say it was not complicated ? no 

Your claim was it's too complicated for evolution this statement in no way backs that up . And once again argument from ignorance .