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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:08 am
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(March 21, 2018 at 12:00 am)He lives Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 11:18 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Other Christians™ aren't even remotely convinced by this whole "nde" song and dance. They think that you're a mouthy asshole who's probably doing damage to the cause.........
Rebuttal?
I have done extensive research on NDEs. I have talked with people who have had them, read close to 100 books, and gone to IANDS meetings. People who have had full blown NDEs have made drastic changes in their lives. There are people are either afraid of or not interested in NDEs.
Nothing in this quote leads to supernatural truths. Religious people of various stripes do all that. They attend meetings and read books on whatever religious topics they happen to be interested in, and have their lives changed as a result. So what?
Hell, even secular people have made drastic changes in their lives.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:09 am
(March 20, 2018 at 11:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Seems like you gave up on arguing against biology and now you're advocating for ghost trips on spirit unicorns. That's straight up retarded.
You mean ID vs happenstance? At least ID is logical.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:10 am
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(March 21, 2018 at 12:09 am)He lives Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 11:46 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Seems like you gave up on arguing against biology and now you're advocating for ghost trips on spirit unicorns. That's straight up retarded.
You mean ID vs happenstance? At least ID is logical.
Yeah, that magical being who somehow exists beyond the constraints of logical existence and magically molds things out of "nothing" at all. Yeah, that's sooo logical.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:20 am
(March 20, 2018 at 11:52 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 11:44 pm)He lives Wrote: In other words you have done 0 or little research. However IANDS has done a lot of research and so have many hospitals in more than one country.
I have read some stuff from NDE research sites. I just don't see anything compelling about them. They're products of human psychology, not supernatural experiences. You've had vivid dreams, no? Do you attribute them to God just because they contain vivid details?
(March 20, 2018 at 11:48 pm)He lives Wrote: Because everyone sees things differently. If you were a witness to an automobile accident do you think that all of the other witnesses would have the exact story. I can tell you from experience that they wouldn't.
Then that lends more credence to naturalistic explanations rather than supernatural ones, and therefore the naturalistic ones are more reasonable to hold to than the latter. If you're interested, look up Bayesian reasoning.
As more and more people have NDEs and tell about them, more doctors and researchers are understanding the importance of the research that is being done.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:22 am
(March 21, 2018 at 12:20 am)He lives Wrote: (March 20, 2018 at 11:52 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I have read some stuff from NDE research sites. I just don't see anything compelling about them. They're products of human psychology, not supernatural experiences. You've had vivid dreams, no? Do you attribute them to God just because they contain vivid details?
Then that lends more credence to naturalistic explanations rather than supernatural ones, and therefore the naturalistic ones are more reasonable to hold to than the latter. If you're interested, look up Bayesian reasoning.
As more and more people have NDEs and tell about them, more doctors and researchers are understanding the importance of the research that is being done.
And so far, nothing that lends much credence to supernatural explanations. There is nothing supernatural about "more doctors and researchers understanding the importance of the research that is being done".
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:25 am
(March 21, 2018 at 12:10 am)Grandizer Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 12:09 am)He lives Wrote: You mean ID vs happenstance? At least ID is logical.
Yeah, that magical being who somehow exists beyond the constraints of logical existence and magically molds things out of "nothing" at all. Yeah, that's sooo logical.
Miracles always seem impossible to those who do not understand the science behind them. If air was opaque we would all be in the dark.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:27 am
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(March 21, 2018 at 12:25 am)He lives Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 12:10 am)Grandizer Wrote: Yeah, that magical being who somehow exists beyond the constraints of logical existence and magically molds things out of "nothing" at all. Yeah, that's sooo logical.
Miracles always seem impossible to those who do not understand the science behind them. If air was opaque we would all be in the dark.
Huh, you're not making much sense? How are you able to mix miracles with science? Is there a science behind creatio ex nihilo? Please, do tell.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:31 am
(March 21, 2018 at 12:22 am)Grandizer Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 12:20 am)He lives Wrote: As more and more people have NDEs and tell about them, more doctors and researchers are understanding the importance of the research that is being done.
And so far, nothing that lends much credence to supernatural explanations. There is nothing supernatural about "more doctors and researchers understanding the importance of the research that is being done".
It will be a great day once there is proof that the spirit can and does leave the body.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:36 am
(March 21, 2018 at 12:31 am)He lives Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 12:22 am)Grandizer Wrote: And so far, nothing that lends much credence to supernatural explanations. There is nothing supernatural about "more doctors and researchers understanding the importance of the research that is being done".
It will be a great day once there is proof that the spirit can and does leave the body.
It will also be a great day once there is proof that there is indeed a flying teapot in outer space!
Are you now conceding you have nothing to bring forth to the table that would imply supernatural truths?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 12:40 am
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(March 21, 2018 at 12:27 am)Grandizer Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 12:25 am)He lives Wrote: Miracles always seem impossible to those who do not understand the science behind them. If air was opaque we would all be in the dark.
Huh, you're not making much sense? How are you able to mix miracles with science? Is there a science behind creatio ex nihilo? Please, do tell.
People tend to believe in creatio ex nihilo even though there is no mention of it in the Bible. I believe that matter has always existed. I also believe that there are those who can control matter.
(March 21, 2018 at 12:36 am)Grandizer Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 12:31 am)He lives Wrote: It will be a great day once there is proof that the spirit can and does leave the body.
It will also be a great day once there is proof that there is indeed a flying teapot in outer space!
Are you now conceding you have nothing to bring forth to the table that would imply supernatural truths?
The evidence is there for those who look for it.
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