Old threads of discussion I have had.

[Edwardo Piet]

It's odd, believers see the same arguments, and think they are wonderful. 

That's because:

[Mystic]

This was good discussion on stages of goodness and God:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-25537.html

I think it took a long time to get people to understand what I was stating (this was when I was a Deist).

I later tried to make into a formal argument:

When we perform good actions and become better people, we ascend in stages of existence.
Ascension in stages of existence is only explained by existence of God.
Therefore God exists.

Of course the reason for 1 and 2, were stated in the thread.

[LadyForCamus]

I don't see how from an Atheistic standpoint, that value can exist then.  When you can prove it to be possible, let me know. Telling me about how you guys are empathetic and value humans without belief in God doesn't solve it.

Just because you can’t imgaine it doesn’t make it not so, buddy.  I don’t believe in god, and yet I value human life. There.  I just proved it to you.  Now, how do you explain it?

[Mystic]

I don't see how from an Atheistic standpoint, that value can exist then.  When you can prove it to be possible, let me know. Telling me about how you guys are empathetic and value humans without belief in God doesn't solve it.

Just because you can’t imgaine it doesn’t make it not so, buddy.  I don’t believe in god, and yet I value human life. There.  I just proved it to you.  Now, how do you explain it?

Actually, you use too much imagination. Value is abstract to us. But when you begin digging through reflection at what it is, you will realize, it not only proves God, but the 7 heavens, and 7 earths, and the ascending and descent between them.

The fact is you guys want to keep it abstract and are not willing to go deep. The naturalism side leads to a dead end where you realize, if there is no God, it's all wishful magical thinking produce by evolution that myths from false shamans had a lot to do with it.

You believe in value and not God, because you haven't it reflected enough deeply about the matter.

And when we begin to go deep, you stick to short definitions of words to escape it, and keep it abstract, like you did with empathy.

[LadyForCamus]

Just because you can’t imgaine it doesn’t make it not so, buddy.  I don’t believe in god, and yet I value human life. There.  I just proved it to you.  Now, how do you explain it?

Actually, you use too much imagination. Value is abstract to us. But when you begin digging through reflection at what it is, you will realize, it not only proves God, but the 7 heavens, and 7 earths, and the ascending and descent between them.

The fact is you guys want to keep it abstract and are not willing to go deep. The naturalism side leads to a dead end where you realize, if there is no God, it's all wishful magical thinking produce by evolution that myths from false shamans had a lot to do with it.

You believe in value and not God, because you haven't it reflected enough deeply about the matter.

And when we begin to go deep, you stick to short definitions of words to escape it, and keep it abstract, like you did with empathy.

So when you do don’t like my answers because they refute your position, you just change the definitions of the words? Lol, k. Good talk, as usual. 👍

[Mystic]

Actually, you use too much imagination. Value is abstract to us. But when you begin digging through reflection at what it is, you will realize, it not only proves God, but the 7 heavens, and 7 earths, and the ascending and descent between them.

The fact is you guys want to keep it abstract and are not willing to go deep. The naturalism side leads to a dead end where you realize, if there is no God, it's all wishful magical thinking produce by evolution that myths from false shamans had a lot to do with it.

You believe in value and not God, because you haven't it reflected enough deeply about the matter.

And when we begin to go deep, you stick to short definitions of words to escape it, and keep it abstract, like you did with empathy.

So when you do don’t like my answers because they refute your position, you just change the definitions of the words? Lol, k. Good talk, as usual. 👍

Do you know the concept of abstraction?

[LadyForCamus]

So when you do don’t like my answers because they refute your position, you just change the definitions of the words? Lol, k. Good talk, as usual. 👍

Do you know the concept of abstraction?

Yeah, though I’m sure somehow you’ll butcher the definition of that word too.  Let me guess; something about light, and true sight, and the real love that perceives the loving perception?

How’d I do?!

[The Grand Nudger]

You forget about the once and future king. No mk-ism is complete without an invocation of the divine right of the hidden imam.

[FatAndFaithless]

At what point does this become spam?

[Mystic]

\ you know the concept of abstraction?

 Let me guess; something about light, and true sight, and the real love that perceives the loving perception?

How’d I do?!

Exactly, we see things in abstract way, and see the deeper you get, the more vision you get and you begin to see the spiritual world and your true self, in a more lest abstract way. But this is the concept of the self.

Right now you imagine it to be some of creation or program by our brain. But there is a whole spiritual word.

Right now you want to keep it abstract, because you are afraid at looking at what is, will lead you to discover exactly what it is.

There is nothing to fear, and even if there was, courage, my Lady, courage. 

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You forget about the once and future king. No mk-ism is complete without an invocation of the divine right of the hidden imam.

That is the best compliment I can get.