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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 7:27 am
(June 14, 2018 at 6:58 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Were women always treated this way? What about long before the bible?
Or were they always treated as property/slaves buy the stronger horny apes from day one?
Hell, it wasn't until the 20th century that they even got to vote!
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 7:33 am
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"Hell, it wasn't until the 20th century that they even got to vote!"
I don't know what makes me more angry. The fact that women let it go this long before revolting!
Or the fact that men are so insecure in themselves that they held the woman at bay all this time.
I can make some good jokes about it if you like?
Like: The women's revolution wasn't successful because they had to be home every day by 4 to have dinner ready!
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 10:27 am
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(June 14, 2018 at 1:52 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (June 14, 2018 at 1:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Another one of these?
Meh, I was taught many things in my faith. "Hating the female body" wasn't one of them.
Lots of paintings of naked people (men and women) at the Vatican.
I'm sure they don't pay as much attention to women, when they have all the little boys they could ever want.
Oh look, it's the "every priest is a child molester" generalization on an atheist forum. How original. Congratulations.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 10:50 am
(June 15, 2018 at 10:27 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Oh look, it's the "every priest is a child molester" generalization on an atheist forum. How original. Congratulations.
Besides, the actual number is about 6%.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 10:52 am
It should be zero percent, because if someone knows he has that inclination he should do the moral thing and stay away from the priesthood and other areas involving children.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 10:53 am
The other 94 just cover it up or carry water for the organization, lol.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 11:09 am
(June 15, 2018 at 10:52 am)Kit Wrote: It should be zero percent, because if someone knows he has that inclination he should do the moral thing and stay away from the priesthood and other areas involving children.
And that's why the is-ought problem is a thing. Sadly, due to the taboo that's rightly emerged around pedophilia, we don't know what proportion of adults attracted to minors have the good sense to not act on their urges. We know they exist (and composer Benjamin Britten was apparently one) and there are at least three online groups of Refusing-to-act pedophiles: Virtuous Pedophiles, another one, and yet another one that a friend of a penpal is a member of.
The sad thing is, there's a big Catch-22 surrounding this whole dilemma; we have a huge taboo around it, because, well, do we have to explain why raping children is a bad thing that should be discouraged? However, this taboo leads to those who want to not offend being silenced out of a risk of being branded a child molester. And if you do offend, get caught, and see the error of your ways and want to reform, if/when you come out, you'll be put on a registry that severely hampers your ability to build a new life, and in many cases, keeps you from even finding a home, and, well, to quote an article from Cracked: "So you take a guy who's committed a crime. Now you put him on a registry that may keep him from getting a job, or making friends, generally just totally isolating him for the rest of his life and giving him lots of free time. Do you think that makes him less likely to commit another crime?" For a good dramatisation of this dilemma, see The Woodsman.
Once again, I have to emphasise that I have no fucking idea how common these types are among pedophiles. Are they just aberrations within an aberration? Are they common? The stuff we have to do to answer those questions is not really an option.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 12:15 pm
(June 15, 2018 at 10:27 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 14, 2018 at 1:52 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I'm sure they don't pay as much attention to women, when they have all the little boys they could ever want.
Oh look, it's the "every priest is a child molester" generalization on an atheist forum. How original. Congratulations.
How many pedophile priests have to be slapped on the wrist and carted off to a new parish before you start to think it might be a problem?
Does he have to be original? Is there a statute of limitations on child abuse?
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 1:29 pm
(June 15, 2018 at 10:27 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (June 14, 2018 at 1:52 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I'm sure they don't pay as much attention to women, when they have all the little boys they could ever want.
Oh look, it's the "every priest is a child molester" generalization on an atheist forum. How original. Congratulations.
I know every single catholic priest is not a pedophile, but dang it if that low hanging fruit isn't so snatchable. They have a bad reputation, and likely won't be living it down any time soon.
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RE: Why do the Abrahamic religions hate the female body so much?
June 15, 2018 at 4:19 pm
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In the Quran (Islam's source book), there are direct, explicit verses that men and women (are from each other):
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
Sahih International
(32) And do not wish for that by which Allah has made some of you exceed others. For men is a share of what they have earned, and for women is a share of what they have earned. And ask Allah of his bounty. Indeed Allah is ever, of all things, Knowing.
Furthermore:
Quote:Sura 49, The Quran:
Sahih International
(13) O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.
Then cutting any doubt that men and women as God had said in the Quran are actually created from the same organism:
Quote:Sura 7,The Quran:
Sahih International
(189) It is He who created you from one soul and created from it its mate that he might dwell in security with her. And when he covers her, she carries a light burden and continues therein. And when it becomes heavy, they both invoke Allah, their Lord, "If You should give us a good [child], we will surely be among the grateful."
Your OP should exclude the Quran from the criticism. The verses tell me that men and women are created from the same organism (sura 7 verse 189).
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