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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 19, 2020 at 12:03 pm
(May 19, 2020 at 10:56 am)Drich Wrote: (May 17, 2020 at 2:43 am)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: I just don't get how anyone could be at peace of mind knowing someone they hate or don't like will be burning and being tortured forever and with no ending. I mean, some people people wish upon kids to go to hell (Like infamous kids like that 11 year old school shooter from Mexico that happened 4 months ago). Concepts like hell are exactly why im losing more faith in religion and turning more atheist. Some people claim it's justice, really? How is being in a lake of fire "justice" that's not justice, thats just plain sickening revenge, twisted revenge. I mean seriously, think about it, what if YOU were in that position? Wouldn't you hate the god for sending you there? I don't wish for people like Hitler, Stalin, Zedong, Dahmer, Bundy, Lanza, Harris and Klebold, or even my own mother even though we haven't always had a good relationship with each other, to be burned alive for eternity, because hell is like an eye for an eye, but more fucked up. How is it that this god created hell on for Satan and his angels, but then all a sudden just makes humans go there. Couldn't he had just make a heaven for sinners? Hell is UNETHICAL. Heck, even Jesus seems to condone it, even though he claimed he loved all:
"Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me."
So why must they go there with him exactly if it was only meant for Satan and his angels? I honestly don't know, only read the first 60 something pages of the bibble before I stopped reading it entirely. It's sad how so many people still believe in these kinds of afterlives, just a disappointing display of immorality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYJ5Io59gU&t=297s
Above is the understanding and explanation of how God or the bible identifies sin. it is way way different than what most churches teach. it given a different perspective and understanding. sin is not just about breaking the moral law. the moral side of the law was only 1/3 of the total understanding of sin. this however is all we know of sin now which allows you to make unjust judgement of how hell is punishment. If you understood fully what sin was you would understand hell.
Which is not the same hell taught again in most catholic type of churches. hell in the RC church is more based on the Greek and roman accounts of hell. the hell in the bible is again very different and serves a completely different purpose. in the bible version of Hell Satan does not reign he is ot master there. he is master here. in this world. there is is set to be punished forever for the destruction of the souls he has consumed here by sin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh1wDAhnnh8&t=12s
Volcanos and black holes are a bitch too.
"Hell" is merely our species childish fantasy of revenge.
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 19, 2020 at 12:07 pm
(May 19, 2020 at 12:03 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (May 19, 2020 at 10:56 am)Drich Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYJ5Io59gU&t=297s
Above is the understanding and explanation of how God or the bible identifies sin. it is way way different than what most churches teach. it given a different perspective and understanding. sin is not just about breaking the moral law. the moral side of the law was only 1/3 of the total understanding of sin. this however is all we know of sin now which allows you to make unjust judgement of how hell is punishment. If you understood fully what sin was you would understand hell.
Which is not the same hell taught again in most catholic type of churches. hell in the RC church is more based on the Greek and roman accounts of hell. the hell in the bible is again very different and serves a completely different purpose. in the bible version of Hell Satan does not reign he is ot master there. he is master here. in this world. there is is set to be punished forever for the destruction of the souls he has consumed here by sin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh1wDAhnnh8&t=12s
Volcanos and black holes are a bitch too.
"Hell" is merely our species childish fantasy of revenge. if you read what i said then you will note hell is not what you think it is. your understanding of hell comes from the greeks and romans which was later adopted by the church. The bible's hell is simply death. it is the sterilization of the infected.
ever played halo? do you remember why they fired the halo rings? do you remember what happened? Sin is the flood. Hell is the firing of the rings.
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 19, 2020 at 12:10 pm
(May 19, 2020 at 11:57 am)Drich Wrote: all the rules one needed to follow to live as an ot jew. Explicitly normative content.
Quote:2/3 was known to the Jews as the ceremonial laws. this was all about the worship of God sacrifices (including atonement for sin through animal sacrifice) how the temple worked who could work as a priest how they were to dress how the were to make offering and how and every other aspect of worship from the temple to how they were to dispose of waste. Uzzah was not a levite priest and broke the law concerning who could touch the ark. again not a moral sin, but a ceremonial sin.
Explicitly normative content.
Quote:3/3 then the moral law which you know centering around the 10 commandments and extending to what the church adapts.
Explicitly normative content.
You're three for three, failing to show any third which is outside the boundaries of explicitly normative content.
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 19, 2020 at 12:30 pm
(May 19, 2020 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote: (May 19, 2020 at 12:03 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Volcanos and black holes are a bitch too.
"Hell" is merely our species childish fantasy of revenge. if you read what i said then you will note hell is not what you think it is. your understanding of hell comes from the greeks and romans which was later adopted by the church. The bible's hell is simply death. it is the sterilization of the infected.
ever played halo? do you remember why they fired the halo rings? do you remember what happened? Sin is the flood. Hell is the firing of the rings.
I don't play World Of WarCraft either. I was a fan of Resident Evil video game. I can talk your ear off about ABBA though.
Meanwhile, religion is the only escapism that gets treated like the theory of gravity and evolution, when it doesn't deserve it.
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 19, 2020 at 6:45 pm
"Hell" is merely our species childish fantasy of revenge.
Exactly
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 19, 2020 at 6:51 pm
(May 19, 2020 at 6:45 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: "Hell" is merely our species childish fantasy of revenge.
Exactly
Since you've chosen not to learn anything about the concept and its history, and instead pass judgment on your straw man version, your judgment no doubt seems true to you.
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 20, 2020 at 1:11 am
(May 19, 2020 at 6:45 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: "Hell" is merely our species childish fantasy of revenge.
Exactly
Yeah, something like that
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 21, 2020 at 10:47 am
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(May 19, 2020 at 12:10 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (May 19, 2020 at 11:57 am)Drich Wrote: all the rules one needed to follow to live as an ot jew. Explicitly normative content.
Quote:2/3 was known to the Jews as the ceremonial laws. this was all about the worship of God sacrifices (including atonement for sin through animal sacrifice) how the temple worked who could work as a priest how they were to dress how the were to make offering and how and every other aspect of worship from the temple to how they were to dispose of waste. Uzzah was not a levite priest and broke the law concerning who could touch the ark. again not a moral sin, but a ceremonial sin.
Explicitly normative content.
Quote:3/3 then the moral law which you know centering around the 10 commandments and extending to what the church adapts.
Explicitly normative content.
You're three for three, failing to show any third which is outside the boundaries of explicitly normative content.
and you fail to show how this content excludes you. You do not have to believe in the laws of gravity/consider them "explicitly normative content" to be held down by them.
(May 19, 2020 at 12:30 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (May 19, 2020 at 12:07 pm)Drich Wrote: if you read what i said then you will note hell is not what you think it is. your understanding of hell comes from the greeks and romans which was later adopted by the church. The bible's hell is simply death. it is the sterilization of the infected.
ever played halo? do you remember why they fired the halo rings? do you remember what happened? Sin is the flood. Hell is the firing of the rings.
I don't play World Of WarCraft either. I was a fan of Resident Evil video game. I can talk your ear off about ABBA though.
Meanwhile, religion is the only escapism that gets treated like the theory of gravity and evolution, when it doesn't deserve it.
only a fool blind to history and the world around him can ever make such a statement. if you think religion does not effect every aspect of your life then you are def dumb and blind to the world around you.
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 21, 2020 at 11:51 am
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(May 21, 2020 at 10:47 am)Drich Wrote: (May 19, 2020 at 12:10 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Explicitly normative content.
Explicitly normative content.
Explicitly normative content.
You're three for three, failing to show any third which is outside the boundaries of explicitly normative content.
and you fail to show how this content excludes you. You do not have to believe in the laws of gravity/consider them "explicitly normative content" to be held down by them.
Don't have to, and don't care if it does. You said there was more to it, turns out there isn't, according to your description.
The law of gravity is descriptive you fucking loon, lol. If moral laws had effects like gravity there would be a lot fewer people like you in the world - but they don't.
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RE: Why do some people condone hell?
May 21, 2020 at 3:37 pm
(May 21, 2020 at 11:51 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (May 21, 2020 at 10:47 am)Drich Wrote: and you fail to show how this content excludes you. You do not have to believe in the laws of gravity/consider them "explicitly normative content" to be held down by them.
Don't have to, and don't care if it does. You said there was more to it, turns out there isn't, according to your description.
The law of gravity is descriptive you fucking loon, lol. If moral laws had effects like gravity there would be a lot fewer people like you in the world - but they don't. sin does effect people directly. can't lie with out consequence can't steal without consequence. would you like it if someone had sex with your wife/husband? consequence there has lead to death more than once.
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