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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 9:49 am
(April 20, 2021 at 11:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They do understand the abused having enough and fighting back- see Jan 6th.
Yea and Jefferson Davis was "abused" too.
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 9:59 am
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Sure, point is, they do understand the notion you presented, and they're also not victim blaming - they believe themselves to be the victims....chauvin is a proxy.
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 10:53 am
(April 21, 2021 at 9:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, point is, they do understand the notion you presented, and they're also not victim blaming - they believe themselves to be the victims....chauvin is a proxy.
Oh for sure. Jefferson Davis was a victim too.
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 1:56 pm
(April 21, 2021 at 8:50 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Second degree murder doesn't require intent, Biker.
The conviction, in plain english, is that chauvin caused a mans death through extreme recklessness while committing assault. Or, as the prosecution put it - it's exactly what you saw, exactly what you thought it was, you can believe your eyes.
He's probably gonna serve about a dozen years in total. First time offender, model prisoner, leo, etc. The state is asking for more, but..meh. His defense totally fucked the pooch, if you ask me, since there was never any doubt that chauvin was guilty of the charges - only whether or not qualified immunity could apply, hence the "reasonable police officer". It was his dept that tanked that play. Perhaps, had that dept and his being a police officer not been more important to him than his life, he could have leaned in and told the sad tale of how..yeah, he was getting railroaded by his buddies in blue, but they all routinely do stupid shit like this, and bake stupid shit like super negro theory into the training. That he was the product of an institution which was -wrong-...not right, and that while he sees that now in the unfortunate death of Floyd, it can hardly be called justice for him to do time for a crime his job was premised on, that his entire dept commits with alacrity.
That's the difference between a cooperating witness and a garbage person who very much took one for the team - which, imo, aside from questions of his guilt, chauvin very much did. The parade of officers which doomed him on the 2nd degree charge are an issue of police self-preservation. As people noticed during the trial, some of those officers that testified for and against him had evaded or were currently embroiled in similar charges, themselves.
Wrong.
1st and 2nd DO require intent.
3rd, doesn't.
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 2:03 pm
(April 21, 2021 at 1:56 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (April 21, 2021 at 8:50 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Second degree murder doesn't require intent, Biker.
The conviction, in plain english, is that chauvin caused a mans death through extreme recklessness while committing assault. Or, as the prosecution put it - it's exactly what you saw, exactly what you thought it was, you can believe your eyes.
He's probably gonna serve about a dozen years in total. First time offender, model prisoner, leo, etc. The state is asking for more, but..meh. His defense totally fucked the pooch, if you ask me, since there was never any doubt that chauvin was guilty of the charges - only whether or not qualified immunity could apply, hence the "reasonable police officer". It was his dept that tanked that play. Perhaps, had that dept and his being a police officer not been more important to him than his life, he could have leaned in and told the sad tale of how..yeah, he was getting railroaded by his buddies in blue, but they all routinely do stupid shit like this, and bake stupid shit like super negro theory into the training. That he was the product of an institution which was -wrong-...not right, and that while he sees that now in the unfortunate death of Floyd, it can hardly be called justice for him to do time for a crime his job was premised on, that his entire dept commits with alacrity.
That's the difference between a cooperating witness and a garbage person who very much took one for the team - which, imo, aside from questions of his guilt, chauvin very much did. The parade of officers which doomed him on the 2nd degree charge are an issue of police self-preservation. As people noticed during the trial, some of those officers that testified for and against him had evaded or were currently embroiled in similar charges, themselves.
Wrong.
1st and 2nd DO require intent.
3rd, doesn't.
If someone can't understand the problem with a millinaire booking a room at a Vegas hotel, over a week's period, after legally buying 19 long guns and tons of amo, only to murder 58 concert goers, I don't know how much help we can give you.
This isn't just about policing. This litterally is about America's climate and attitude about firearms.
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 2:19 pm
(April 21, 2021 at 1:56 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (April 21, 2021 at 8:50 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Second degree murder doesn't require intent, Biker.
The conviction, in plain english, is that chauvin caused a mans death through extreme recklessness while committing assault. Or, as the prosecution put it - it's exactly what you saw, exactly what you thought it was, you can believe your eyes.
He's probably gonna serve about a dozen years in total. First time offender, model prisoner, leo, etc. The state is asking for more, but..meh. His defense totally fucked the pooch, if you ask me, since there was never any doubt that chauvin was guilty of the charges - only whether or not qualified immunity could apply, hence the "reasonable police officer". It was his dept that tanked that play. Perhaps, had that dept and his being a police officer not been more important to him than his life, he could have leaned in and told the sad tale of how..yeah, he was getting railroaded by his buddies in blue, but they all routinely do stupid shit like this, and bake stupid shit like super negro theory into the training. That he was the product of an institution which was -wrong-...not right, and that while he sees that now in the unfortunate death of Floyd, it can hardly be called justice for him to do time for a crime his job was premised on, that his entire dept commits with alacrity.
That's the difference between a cooperating witness and a garbage person who very much took one for the team - which, imo, aside from questions of his guilt, chauvin very much did. The parade of officers which doomed him on the 2nd degree charge are an issue of police self-preservation. As people noticed during the trial, some of those officers that testified for and against him had evaded or were currently embroiled in similar charges, themselves.
Wrong.
1st and 2nd DO require intent.
3rd, doesn't.
Speaking of wrong...
Quote:Second-degree murder is causing the death of a human being, without intent to cause that death, while committing or attempting to commit another felony.
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 2:24 pm
(April 21, 2021 at 2:03 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (April 21, 2021 at 1:56 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Wrong.
1st and 2nd DO require intent.
3rd, doesn't.
If someone can't understand the problem with a millinaire booking a room at a Vegas hotel, over a week's period, after legally buying 19 long guns and tons of amo, only to murder 58 concert goers, I don't know how much help we can give you.
This isn't just about policing. This litterally is about America's climate and attitude about firearms.
The Las Vegas shooting is completely off topic, as is America’s attitude toward firearms.
George Floyd’s death was 100% about policing.
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 2:34 pm
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(April 21, 2021 at 2:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (April 21, 2021 at 1:56 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Wrong.
1st and 2nd DO require intent.
3rd, doesn't.
Speaking of wrong...
Quote:Second-degree murder is causing the death of a human being, without intent to cause that death, while committing or attempting to commit another felony.
Boru
Hmmm, if committing third degree felony also qualifies one to be convicted for second degree felony, what is the point of having both? Why not just add the penalties together and lump it into a single criminal offense?
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 2:42 pm
(April 21, 2021 at 2:34 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (April 21, 2021 at 2:19 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Speaking of wrong...
Boru
Hmmm, if committing third degree felony also qualifies one to be convicted for second degree felony, what is the point of having both? Why not just add the penalties together and lump it into a single criminal offense?
Because they are two separate crimes, and the degree of the initial felony is immaterial.
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RE: Chauvin Murder Trial
April 21, 2021 at 2:48 pm
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More cynically, because law enforcement likes to upsell the savagery of their targets while diminishing the brutality of their own.
This charge is incredibly useful at prosecuting criminals for the deaths of their accomplices at the hands of police.
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