Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?

[Foxaèr]

[Huggy Bear]

So your solution is to let everyone stay for free?


How does one earn rent money? What if I said you can stay rent-free if you manage my property? Still think it's immoral?

1.If your objective is to help and not exploit them then yes.

2.Wage labor is immoral. I was simply pointing out direct labor is not the same as rent.

3. No asking them to manage your property is still immoral as it's still extracting labor from them.

So how many homeless people do you have staying at your home?

According to you:
1. Not letting people stay on your property for free is immoral

2. Wage labor is immoral

3. Exchanging labor for goods and services is immoral.

I'm curious to see what an economy would look like with you in charge.

[The Architect Of Fate]

So how many homeless people do you have staying at your home?

None at the moment. This is not inconsistent as not taking in homeless people is different than taking them in and exploiting them, And if I ever did I never demand rent or labor from them.

According to you:
1. Not letting people stay on your property for free is immoral

Demanding labor from people who stay at your property is exploitative as taking advantage of their lack of a dwelling.

2. Wage labor is immoral

Wage labor is a form of exploitation 

3. Exchanging labor for goods and services is immoral.

Demanding labor from people who stay at your property is exploitative as taking advantage of their lack of a dwelling.

I'm curious to see what an economy would look like with you in charge.

Ideally, It would be one without wage labor or landlords obviously. Unless you're suggesting that the only way the economy can work is through exploiting people?

[Huggy Bear]

So how many homeless people do you have staying at your home?

None at the moment. This is not inconsistent as not taking in homeless people is different than taking them in and exploiting them, And if I ever did I never demand rent or labor from them.

According to you:
1. Not letting people stay on your property for free is immoral

Demanding labor from people who stay at your property is exploitative as taking advantage of their lack of a dwelling.

2. Wage labor is immoral

Wage labor is a form of exploitation 

3. Exchanging labor for goods and services is immoral.

Demanding labor from people who stay at your property is exploitative as taking advantage of their lack of a dwelling.

I'm curious to see what an economy would look like with you in charge.

Ideally, It would be one without wage labor or landlords obviously. Unless you're suggesting that the only way the economy can work is through exploiting people?

Plenty of homeless people need help, but YOU have absolutely zero staying with you rent free, but that's exactly what you expect OTHER people to do... you're a straight up hypocrite.

Providing a fair exchange of food and shelter for labor is better than nothing.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Plenty of homeless people need help, but YOU have absolutely zero staying with you rent free, but that's exactly what you expect OTHER people to do... you're a straight up hypocrite.

Where did I say I expect people to take in homeless people? I would like to see a quote where I say that. I already explained the difference between not taking in homeless people and exploiting homeless people you take in. So there is no hypocrisy. It would be hypocrisy if I took homeless people in and demanded rent or work from them. Frankly, I would ultimately prefer that shelter not be a commodity so people wouldn't need to rely on charity. But were a long way off from that. 

Providing a fair exchange of food and shelter for labor is better than nothing.

No, it's not if you're going to let them stay then demanding labor or money from them is neither fair nor better than nothing it's simply wrong.

[Huggy Bear]

Plenty of homeless people need help, but YOU have absolutely zero staying with you rent free, but that's exactly what you expect OTHER people to do... you're a straight up hypocrite.

Where did I say I expect people to take in homeless people?

Here *emphasis mine*

If I owned all the farmland and you needed a place to live, what kind of agreement do you think we would reach that would benefit us both?

There is no nuance to be found. Taking advantage of someone's poverty or lack of  economic or social status is just as evil as kidnapping them and forcing them to work


Taking advantage of people poverty and lack of resources is just as evil as kidnapping them and forcing them to work

You can make all the excuses you like the bible teaches an immoral practice

So what's your solution?

If your objective is to help them. Then simply let them stay rather than taking advantage of them.

So your solution is to let everyone stay for free?

1.If your objective is to help and not exploit them then yes.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Nowhere in any of the above statements did I say I expect people to take in homeless people. I said IF you're going to take in homeless people you shouldn't exploit them. IF your goal is to help them you shouldn't ask them for payment. Those are two very different ideas. So what the above quotes are supposed to prove is beyond me.

[Huggy Bear]

Nowhere in any of the above statements did I say I expect people to take in homeless people. I said IF you're going to take in homeless people you shouldn't exploit them. IF your goal is to help them you shouldn't ask them for payment. Those are two very different ideas. So what the above quotes are supposed to prove is beyond me.

I think we can all agree that exploiting people is wrong, I was asking you about a fair exchange of labor for food and housing. Do you still believe it's immoral?

[The Architect Of Fate]

I think we can all agree that exploiting people is wrong, I was asking you about a fair exchange of labor for food and housing. Do you still believe it's immoral?

Glad we agree on the former. But I'm sorry I still think asking someone to work for a place to live or food is neither fair nor moral.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Demanding labor from people who stay at your property is exploitative as taking advantage of their lack of a dwelling.

Not all labour of this type is exploitive. During the lambing and shearing seasons (April through July), my father would hire casual labourers - generally Romany -to help out. They were allowed to park their caravans on the farm, but Da also had some small cottages built for any of them who wanted a change. He never charged ground rent, fed them while they were there, and paid above the going rate. He ALWAYS had to turn people away.

Boru