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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 22, 2012 at 2:09 pm
(April 22, 2012 at 12:18 pm)radorth Wrote: Which is that as intellectual honesty increases, so does your awareness of your own bias and your admiration for Jesus
Lol, where does that come from? Intellectual honesty -> Jesus??? Ha ha ha ha ha!!! 
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 22, 2012 at 2:36 pm
As vascular circulation in your groin increases, so does your admiration for jesus. 
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 23, 2012 at 1:38 am
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(April 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Why is it intellecually honest to admire a man that shoehorned the teachings of older religions into a newer one where he is at the center?
Jefferson didn't see it that way at all.
And there are no teachings as clear and demanding as the Sermon on the Mount or parables so sublime, in all of history. Which explains why many people do not become Christians. They well know their morals are not his morals, and their world-view would have to change drastically. So they make up their own stories about who Jesus was or was not, full of contradictions and logical fallacies, harder to believe than the Gospels.
And do explain how fishermen wrote such parables.
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 23, 2012 at 3:19 am
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2012 at 3:19 am by The Grand Nudger.)
"Boy oh boy, this is such a good book, in my opinion, :ergo god:"
I remain unconvinced.
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 23, 2012 at 3:56 am
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So... I got dragged into Bible study last night. We were discussing about getting revelation about what the Word means. I decided that was a good time to bring up the question of why there's so many denominations. They told me if it doesn't line up with the Word of God then they're incorrect. That's the point though... all 37 000 denominations claim it is what the Word means.
After that discussion was over, the guy next to me starts by saying, 'anyways, I wanted to raise a point about what we read tonight. I have to disagree with what you (the group leader) said'. I cringed.
EDIT: other noteworthy fails of the night:
1) Me: so did John actually die a martyr? My other friend says he did.
Guy: Yes!
Me: oh, so when he was chucked in oil that's when he died?
Guy: no, the oil didn't even burn him at all
Me: oh.. so the last attempt to kill him wasn't when he died? So he didn't die a martyr but a natural death?
Guy: yeah.
Me: *about to laugh in a jokingly manner... realises through face expression his line of argument was serious*.....
Me: *hesitation* So..... he didn't die a martyr?
Guy: well, sort of.
Me:...........................
2) Group leader: guys, we are reading the Gospels of the good news. That's what they are.
Me: *facepalm*....
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 23, 2012 at 6:41 am
At least they are tolerating the arguments against the faith.
The most interesting part of this discussion is the implication of contrary unification. They all speak the word of God, but they all assume the others have some of it wrong, but its all God's work, which implies God doesn't really give two tugs of a dead dogs cock what you actually believe.
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 23, 2012 at 7:30 am
Because the Xians can't make up the bloody mind on everything.
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 23, 2012 at 8:05 am
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(April 23, 2012 at 6:41 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: At least they are tolerating the arguments against the faith.
The most interesting part of this discussion is the implication of contrary unification. They all speak the word of God, but they all assume the others have some of it wrong, but its all God's work, which implies God doesn't really give two tugs of a dead dogs cock what you actually believe.
Not "others have it wrong" to one degree or another all have it wrong. Therefore we are live and work under the same unifying grace that is given when we sin. If their is grace and atonement when we willfully sin, how much more will grace abound when we praise and worship to the limits of our understanding and ablity to do so?
(April 23, 2012 at 3:56 am)FallentoReason Wrote: So... I got dragged into Bible study last night. We were discussing about getting revelation about what the Word means. I decided that was a good time to bring up the question of why there's so many denominations. They told me if it doesn't line up with the Word of God then they're incorrect. That's the point though... all 37 000 denominations claim it is what the Word means.
After that discussion was over, the guy next to me starts by saying, 'anyways, I wanted to raise a point about what we read tonight. I have to disagree with what you (the group leader) said'. I cringed.
EDIT: other noteworthy fails of the night:
1) Me: so did John actually die a martyr? My other friend says he did.
Guy: Yes!
Me: oh, so when he was chucked in oil that's when he died?
Guy: no, the oil didn't even burn him at all
Me: oh.. so the last attempt to kill him wasn't when he died? So he didn't die a martyr but a natural death?
Guy: yeah.
Me: *about to laugh in a jokingly manner... realises through face expression his line of argument was serious*.....
Me: *hesitation* So..... he didn't die a martyr?
Guy: well, sort of.
Me:...........................
2) Group leader: guys, we are reading the Gospels of the good news. That's what they are.
Me: *facepalm*....
Me: is their a question?
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 23, 2012 at 8:11 am
Drich Wrote:Not "others have it wrong" to one degree or another all have it wrong.
Even you, and if so, why should we listen to you if you have it wrong?
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RE: Why THERE is so many denominations
April 23, 2012 at 8:21 am
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(April 23, 2012 at 8:05 am)Drich Wrote: Not "others have it wrong" to one degree or anotherall have it wrong. Therefore we are live and work under the same unifying grace that is given when we sin. If their is grace and atonement when we willfully sin, how much more will grace abound when we praise and worship to the limits of our understanding and ablity to do so?
In which case, setting wildlife on children, smashing babies on rocks has an equal status with all other interpretations of the written Word.
They haven't got it wrong, in face, think of all the grace abound when they praise and worship to the limits of their understanding and ability to do so.
At what point will God get annoyed at the misinterpretation of the bible? 2 babies? 10 babies? 100 babies? All the babies?
Curious world view.. basically as long as you are using the bible as justification, you are never wrong, because you tried your best within the "limits of our understanding and ablity", no matter what atrocities you justify with it.
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