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No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven?
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RE: No need to avoid sinning, all is forgiven?
June 18, 2012 at 2:56 am
(This post was last modified: June 18, 2012 at 2:57 am by Taqiyya Mockingbird.)
(June 18, 2012 at 12:57 am)Godschild Wrote:(June 17, 2012 at 10:20 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: I don't believe in god, therefore, am no sinner. Another fucking lie, straight from the Pit of Hell. That's from psalm 14. According to your own fairy tales, written by David. Just another pathological liar, making up shit (or borrowing it) and attributing it to his Big Imaginary Fucking Friend. (June 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Drich Wrote:(June 17, 2012 at 6:18 pm)GhostofZeus Wrote: In an earlier thread of mine I wanted to figure out the route that would produce the highest probability of getting into heaven. In a response, christian member Drich wrote "avoiding sin is not the Goal of a biblically based Christianity, for all sin has been attoned for, and the believer can stand before God as if he were sinless." What do christians think of this statement? My understanding of christian teaching is that, while everyone is a sinner, a christian must try to avoid sinning? If there is no need to avoid sinning, as we are already forgiven or will be forgiven, then that would imply that a christian can lead a very immoral, sinful life, and it will not jeopardize their immortal soul. Wow, that was really stupid. (June 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Drich Wrote: cato123 Wrote:Why are you incapable of answering the fucking question? Not just in this thread, but every thread. You sir are the one incapable, you are incapable of understanding the most important thing Drich said above. It's the part I left not hidden. If you were to do the things you stated above you would not have a love for God, those who do not love God will not be in heaven. This is stated throughout the NT, I will not quote verses, go read the NT and see for yourself, if that's possible, all the different passages about loving God. Then maybe you will get it. I'm a Southern Baptist and we believe one can not lose their salvation, however, I believe you can give it up, and you can do that in the manner you described above.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(June 18, 2012 at 2:27 am)Godschild Wrote: You were not listening, all you who have ears let him hear. So far, all I'm hearing is you. If god wants to talk to me, he's free to. In the mean time, I'm just going to continue to doubt and question his existence and also continue to think that you're completely nuts.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity. Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist. You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them. (June 18, 2012 at 12:57 am)Godschild Wrote:You mean, the Bible says only a fool says there is no god.(June 17, 2012 at 10:20 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: I don't believe in god, therefore, am no sinner. Btw how does your god say anything if he has no vocal chords? Does he frequently possess people with his holy ghosties? (June 18, 2012 at 3:00 am)Godschild Wrote: You sir are the one incapable, you are incapable of understanding the most important thing Drich said above. It's the part I left not hidden. Yeah, love god or he'll send bears to fuck you up. If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
Or is it love the mental delusion you have created or WTF??
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
(June 18, 2012 at 12:57 am)Godschild Wrote:(June 17, 2012 at 10:20 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: I don't believe in god, therefore, am no sinner. I must have missed that bit, along with everything else god said.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
(June 18, 2012 at 3:00 am)Godschild Wrote: The Goal here is an all encompassing love for God. Not the empty motions of it. Why? Why this need to follow some dead man's directive to love god?? Why? Even if he was real, he doesn't love you. Clearly he loves himself far far more than he could ever love you. Why is it your GOAL to love god??? I didn't set out to make it my goal to love my son ... I simply love him. Do you even read what you type? You should start talking into a recorder and play it back to yourself so you can hear that illogical ramblings that come out of your mouth. Godschild Wrote:I'm a Southern Baptist and we believe one can not lose their salvation, however, I believe you can give it up, and you can do that in the manner you described above. Greasy semantics. "lose it"/"give it up" ... it's the same damn thing. Everyone (even us heathens) knows that there's only one sin your god won't forgive and that's denial of him and his so-called gift. Therefore, no matter how you go about it, you LOSE your salvation by no longer believing in god. Your statement is such a half-assed attempt at covering for your twisted self-absorbed god. I now realize that although some Christians can be highly intelligent on some levels, it is a requirement that all be an imbecile on at least some level to carry that moniker.
Why would this all powerful being give a shit if any of us loved him or not? It's not like he's going to lose power or anything if we don't.
If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. - J.R.R Tolkien
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