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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm
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(July 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Annik Wrote: I don't care if someone prays in public, as long as they are forcing anyone to pray with them. However, if they school sets aside any time specifically for prayer during school hours, a line has been crossed. If they want to do that, they can do it before school, after school or privately.
Well what about the Moslem students who have prayer times that fall during school hours?
Edit: @last two responses...it's not about the law, it's about what you would feel comfortable with
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I am not okay with this. I was subjected to it in high school. There was a teacher-led group of students who would participate in public prayer every morning before class in front of the school, and in bible study/discussion after the day had ended. The students put up signs all over the halls (which is fine, since they're students and not staff) and the whole thing was made very public. It was more than that they wanted to pray and worship, they wanted us to see them do it. I don't necessarily think they shouldn't have been allowed to meet, but it was this in-your-face presentation that got to me. They kind of presented themselves as recruiters for Christ, which I think at a public school is completely inappropriate.
That is the problem. Religious activity in public school wouldn't be a bad thing if it could be completely reserved for the religious, however that is rarely the case. It often ends up being waved around and shoved in everyone's face, especially if you're non-religious. I had to put up with a lot of crap in high school because of my beliefs. Even from teachers.
You really believe in a man who has helped to save the world twice, with the power to change his physical appearance? An alien who travels though time and space-- in a police box?!?
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm
(July 14, 2012 at 2:54 pm)Polaris Wrote: (July 14, 2012 at 2:52 pm)Chuck Wrote: Religions like Christianity can not exist without excreting pressure for others to conform it itself. So the only acceptable public expression of Christianity is no discernible expression whatsoever.
So by that logic, homosexuals cannot kiss each other in public.
Homosexuality is a religion?
Can you post a single reply without a red herring in it?
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm
(July 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm)Polaris Wrote: (July 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Annik Wrote: I don't care if someone prays in public, as long as they are forcing anyone to pray with them. However, if they school sets aside any time specifically for prayer during school hours, a line has been crossed. If they want to do that, they can do it before school, after school or privately.
Well what about the Moslem students who have prayer times that fall during school hours?
Then the students can excuse themselves and pray, the school can't.
You really believe in a man who has helped to save the world twice, with the power to change his physical appearance? An alien who travels though time and space-- in a police box?!?
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm
It would be logical if every homosexual was pressuring other people to be homosexual, but since that isn't the case . . .
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm
(July 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Can you post a single reply without a red herring in it?
I'm sure he can. But them it will contain other fallacies.
You need to ask your question again in a more general way. Try this, "Can you post a single reply without a logical fallacy in it?".
See what I did there....
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm
(July 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm)Polaris Wrote: (July 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Annik Wrote: I don't care if someone prays in public, as long as they are forcing anyone to pray with them. However, if they school sets aside any time specifically for prayer during school hours, a line has been crossed. If they want to do that, they can do it before school, after school or privately.
Well what about the Moslem students who have prayer times that fall during school hours?
Edit: @last two responses...it's not about the law, it's about what you would feel comfortable with
Fuck them. A public school is a place fir learning,not for pandering your asinine superstitions.
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm
(July 14, 2012 at 3:05 pm)Polaris Wrote: (July 14, 2012 at 3:01 pm)Annik Wrote: I don't care if someone prays in public, as long as they are forcing anyone to pray with them. However, if they school sets aside any time specifically for prayer during school hours, a line has been crossed. If they want to do that, they can do it before school, after school or privately.
Well what about the Moslem students who have prayer times that fall during school hours?
Edit: @last two responses...it's not about the law, it's about what you would feel comfortable with
Then they may excuse themselves to the bathroom or whatever. Class time will not stop for them.
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:12 pm
(July 14, 2012 at 3:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (July 14, 2012 at 3:06 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: Can you post a single reply without a red herring in it?
I'm sure he can. But them it will contain other fallacies.
You need to ask your question again in a more general way. Try this, "Can you post a single reply without a logical fallacy in it?".
See what I did there....
I stand corrected.
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RE: Prayer in School
July 14, 2012 at 3:14 pm
(July 14, 2012 at 3:07 pm)Shell B Wrote: It would be logical if every homosexual was pressuring other people to be homosexual, but since that isn't the case . . .
Well you do have a point there, but there are many of faith who don't absolutely want everyone to follow their faith, but just want their faith to be accepted just as there are many homosexuals who want their homosexuality to be accepted as well.
See, I don't see the world in the eyes of uniformity, but in the eyes of acceptance and tolerance.
For example, I was offended that a public school prevented Moslems from being able to ritually clean themselves at school, which is required by their faith, even though I do not believe Islam is the correct religion.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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