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[TaraJo]

OK Zen, let's try a new paradigm.

If a person chooses to be a prostitute, knowing they are entering a potentially dangerous occupation in which they are literally required to be alone with testosterone-induced males who are ready to burst, they expect to be treated badly in the first place, as a disposable resource for men to use. Entering the occupation they accept the obvious risks inherent in it. Of course if they're the victim of a crime, the criminal should be punished.

What part of that, exactly, don't you understand or don't you agree with?????

*facepalm*

I'm going to school for nursing, Danny, and a lot of nurses wind up getting into home health nursing. Thing about home nurses is that sometimes "they are entering a potentially dangerous occupation in which they are literally required to be alone with testosterone-induced males who are ready to burst." Does this mean home health nurses aren't deserving of any legal protection, either? Do they deserve what they get if their client gets crazy? How about secretaries, working late with the boss? Does she deserve any special protection or does she deserve it?

Part of the problem with prostitution being illegal is that as it is now, prostitutes are afraid to go to police if something like that happens just because the police may arrest the prostitute instead of the client. Part of why I support the legalization of prostitution is to take that aspect of it away. If a prostitute doesn't have to worry about being arrested for it, she can report a client for assaulting her.

There are also plenty of other steps prostitutes can take to protect themselves. But saying she deserves it when she gets attacked, that just proves you're a disgusting little excuse for a human being.

[Aractus]

I'm going to school for nursing, Danny, and a lot of nurses wind up getting into home health nursing. Thing about home nurses is that sometimes "they are entering a potentially dangerous occupation in which they are literally required to be alone with testosterone-induced males who are ready to burst." Does this mean home health nurses aren't deserving of any legal protection, either? Do they deserve what they get if their client gets crazy? How about secretaries, working late with the boss? Does she deserve any special protection or does she deserve it?

Almost every prostitute (in Australia) is on drugs. Using drugs is what erases their right to legal protection. As for prostitution being illegal in the USA, that's just one of the many reasons the USA is the laughingstock of the civilized world.

[TaraJo]

Almost every prostitute (in Australia) is on drugs. Using drugs is what erases their right to legal protection.

So, by your logic, drug users are not deserving of legal protection? Why? Does that mean if I want to go out and rob peopl, I should specifically target people who I suspect do drugs simply because they deserve it?

[Violet]

There is an actual point buried beneath the point stated, which is that while they don't necessarily deserve 'it': they have contributed to 'its' occurrence.

I am a commercial fisherwoman, which comes fairly shortly after farming in its yearly mortality rate... while any number of things could be the reason I wind up dead (close cases happen frequently), if I do die while on the job: I've had a part in that, however small. Simply due to my decision to work in an environment that has a good chance to kill me

[TaraJo]

There is an actual point buried beneath the point stated, which is that while they don't necessarily deserve 'it': they have contributed to 'its' occurrence.

I am a commercial fisherwoman, which comes fairly shortly after farming in its yearly mortality rate... while any number of things could be the reason I wind up dead (close cases happen frequently), if I do die while on the job: I've had a part in that, however small. Simply due to my decision to work in an environment that has a good chance to kill me

In the same line of thinking, a police officer who gets shot in the line of duty contributred to its occurance. That doesn't mean we should just dismiss the concerns of the officers, though.

[rexbeccarox]

I'm still confused as to how prostitution has anything to do with the original topic. I don't really want to go back fourteen pages... is this a derail, or an ignorant comparison?

[Violet]

In the same line of thinking, a police officer who gets shot in the line of duty contributred to its occurance. That doesn't mean we should just dismiss the concerns of the officers, though.

Oh, of course not. But if you take on a dangerous job: you should expect danger and all the baggage that goes with it.

People whining because they got shot, GOD FORBID they take a blow while fighting with criminals! Then I have to explain to their rich fathers that being a guard is actually dangerous.

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I'm still confused as to how prostitution has anything to do with the original topic. I don't really want to go back fourteen pages... is this a derail, or an ignorant comparison?

Well, transwomen are a minority with a 'significant' portion of them engaging in prostitution... and there is a stereotype where "Every prostitute's a trap!"

So I can see how it might have *something* to do with it... but this much? Someone's got personal problems


.... We rather do need transmen as members, since I can only answer so much

[KichigaiNeko]

I'm still confused as to how prostitution has anything to do with the original topic. I don't really want to go back fourteen pages... is this a derail, or an ignorant comparison?

It's OK rexbecc. Daniel has a few issues. prostitution happens to be one of them.


STILL, I would like to know WHY Daniel was in a brothel in the first place to get his information regarding prostitutes.

[Zen Badger]

Almost every prostitute (in Australia) is on drugs. Using drugs is what erases their right to legal protection. As for prostitution being illegal in the USA, that's just one of the many reasons the USA is the laughingstock of the civilized world.

So the use of drugs (illegal I'm guessing) removes their right to protection under the law.

You really are something special aren't you pal.

I knew a prostitute years ago( as a friend I might add) and she was just someone getting through her life like the rest of us. So your ridiculous generalisation is just that.

And when those drugs are made legal what pathetic excuse will you come up then with to pillory these women?

BTW I can't imagine why you found it so repulsive going into a brothel, unlike a church at least when you get molested it's because you paid for the privilege.

[Aractus]

So, by your logic, drug users are not deserving of legal protection? Why? Does that mean if I want to go out and rob peopl, I should specifically target people who I suspect do drugs simply because they deserve it?

No it's not by "my logic" it's how the law works and how it is supposed to work. Courts aren't supposed to waste their time helping people who are doing the wrong thing. Like if you break into somebody's home and get mauled by their dog, you erased your right to sue the owner by doing something illegal/wrong.

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I'm still confused as to how prostitution has anything to do with the original topic. I don't really want to go back fourteen pages... is this a derail, or an ignorant comparison?

Prostitutes are a minority who are discriminated against and have recently been campaigning for more rights and equality. For instance, they don't think that being a prostitute should have a bearing over whether they get custody of their child or the child's father, and argue that at present the courts discriminate against them.

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So the use of drugs (illegal I'm guessing) removes their right to protection under the law.

Exactly, and that's how the law works, let me reiterate it: I didn't come up with it.

You really are something special aren't you pal.

Thanks for the compliment pal!

I knew a prostitute years ago( as a friend I might add) and she was just someone getting through her life like the rest of us. So your ridiculous generalisation is just that.

Would you swear under oath that you know she wasn't using illegal drugs?

My "ridiculous generalisation" comes from what I've been told first-hand from multiple brothel owners. Oh and a couple of drivers who explained their routines of dropping off girls to meet with their dealers on the way to/from clients. I think I have a pretty good grasp of the issue. But don't worry, it's never a bad time to bury your head in the sand Zen, in fact the more you practise it the better you'll get at it buddy!

And when those drugs are made legal what pathetic excuse will you come up then with to pillory these women?

Again, what they're doing (drugs) is a criminal act. I don't think you take it seriously Zen.

BTW I can't imagine why you found it so repulsive going into a brothel, unlike a church at least when you get molested it's because you paid for the privilege.

Oh much for the same reason that I hate lots of things I disagree with I suppose.