Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 13, 2024, 9:44 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 1 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Uprooting believers.
#31
RE: Uprooting believers.
LOL, I don't trust either. Mostly because both have shown themselves to be completely unworthy of trust.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply
#32
RE: Uprooting believers.
(April 4, 2013 at 2:22 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, I don't trust either. Mostly because both have shown themselves to be completely unworthy of trust.
Did God let you down, R?
Reply
#33
RE: Uprooting believers.
Can't say that he did, never met the man. You?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply
#34
RE: Uprooting believers.
Too often I let God down.
Reply
#35
RE: Uprooting believers.
Well, if it's any consolation, I wouldn't worry about that Chad. I'm sure he'll understand.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply
#36
RE: Uprooting believers.
(April 4, 2013 at 2:16 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Of course your motives are political. 'In Government We Trust". I don't believe government is the highest moral authority, so no I will not keep my religion to myself. My religion informs my politics. If you let your politics determine your religion, then your priorities are confused.

Of course they are. I said they were. If they weren't, of course they wouldn't be.

I have found no religion to be a better moral code than what people thousands of years ago could have devised. Thankfully, no one lives quite by those standards anymore.

I let reality determine my religion. That reality is secularism. The reason we can't advance on unambigous moral areas like protecting the planet, helping the sick, and providing equality to all is because half of the masses and the representatives they elect determine their moral code from bronze age barbarism. Not that it's unexpected. Ignorance is always in opposition to progress. I just hope the trend set by the industrial age, the enlightenment, and the information age will continue to beat back bad ideas.
Religious but open minded about the arguments of atheists? You may have spent your whole life learning about the arguments for religion. May I present to you 10 segmented hours for the case against it?
Reply
#37
RE: Uprooting believers.
(April 4, 2013 at 3:27 pm)Golbez Wrote: I let reality determine my religion. That reality is secularism.
I also let reality determine my religion. That reality is reality in its fullness.


(April 4, 2013 at 3:27 pm)Golbez Wrote: The reason we can't advance on unambigous moral areas like protecting the planet, helping the sick, and providing equality to all is because half of the masses and the representatives they elect determine their moral code from bronze age barbarism.
Agreed. If they got it from the bible, like our Founding Fathers did, we would be much better off.


(April 4, 2013 at 3:27 pm)Golbez Wrote: Ignorance is always in opposition to progress. I just hope the trend set by the industrial age, the enlightenment, and the information age will continue to beat back bad ideas.
And what makes you think that the industrial revolution and information technology will make us wise? The enlightenment was a good thing for natural science, but I do not see this in opposition to religious faith.
Reply
#38
RE: Uprooting believers.
Well, your reality is full alright. The founding fathers were much more rational and intelligent than anything the Bible has to offer, with sole exception to the Golden Rule, which had been around well before the Bible at any rate.

http://youtu.be/70SYwkoH_yc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q37NhrCPNo

It makes us wise because we start shedding idiotic ideas about how to feed people and keep them healthy. We wash our hands with soap and water now. We pasteurize certain foods, and cook others. We better understand how the world works instead of fictional accounts, like what stars are, how gravity operates on different objects, whether everything revolves around the earth, etc. Previously, catholicism offered perhaps temporarily suitable but ultimately foolish explanations for these details. You may still not see this as opposition. I can't help you there. But it most certainly is.

The same is true in today's world, where religion disputes the age of the Earth, resists condom use, discriminates against gays, and lobbies against climate change. I understand the movement against them though. Once these major pillars of religion ultimately fall to advancing societies, there's very little left to prop it up. And who wants to be exposed for dedicating their whole life as a believer?

Though I think the more important question is, who wants to throw in good years after bad?

Oh, if you should happen to watch either of those videos (very well put together, if you're interested in a researched position on the Bible), this is a link that corroborates it a bit:

http://www.project-reason.org/gallery3/image/105/
The 33x44 link underneath the image can be zoomed to look up and verify them. I'll add that link here:
http://www.project-reason.org/bibleContra_big.pdf
Religious but open minded about the arguments of atheists? You may have spent your whole life learning about the arguments for religion. May I present to you 10 segmented hours for the case against it?
Reply
#39
RE: Uprooting believers.
So I'm supposed to waste 18 minutes of my life watching derivative videos just because you're too lazy to put things in your own words.
Reply
#40
RE: Uprooting believers.
Here here, for once. Now, Golbez, you'll have to appreciate that Chad here probably isn't kosher with alot of what religion has put it's heft behind. His is a relatively new splinter of the larger cult. John Chapman stuff. But take heart, if you drill him long and hard enough you'll still find plenty to poke at.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Sincere and peaceful believers are tough people purplepurpose 4 1253 September 27, 2021 at 11:48 am
Last Post: HappySkeptic
  Hardcore believers act like aliens from different planet purplepurpose 21 5817 December 15, 2017 at 7:49 pm
Last Post: vulcanlogician
  "No born believers" says new study. Gawdzilla Sama 1 1343 November 9, 2017 at 7:21 am
Last Post: Mr.Obvious
  Believers, put yourself in my place. Gawdzilla Sama 102 15817 November 23, 2016 at 11:41 am
Last Post: Neo-Scholastic
  A World Made For Believers, Obviously By The Divine LivingNumbers6.626 17 4028 April 26, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Last Post: Razzle
  3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.) topher 187 36841 April 20, 2015 at 7:56 am
Last Post: Mudhammam
  Bashed by believers Joods 47 10962 April 6, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Last Post: Polaris
  No Patience For Out Spoken Believers LivingNumbers6.626 13 3443 September 16, 2014 at 2:10 pm
Last Post: RobbyPants
  why is there even a word to describe non believers? ticktaka 26 6440 April 17, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Last Post: ticktaka
  To those who were once believers and are now atheists, some advice? *Deidre* 20 6012 March 19, 2014 at 7:55 pm
Last Post: *Deidre*



Users browsing this thread: 17 Guest(s)