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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 11:00 am
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(April 18, 2013 at 10:58 am)Lord Privy Seal Wrote: Lucifer and a third of the angels (plus however many defected to marry Earth women in Genesis 6) were willing to face everlasting torture in Hell rather than remain in Heaven.
Probably knew something we didn't..lol. Maybe god snores, or cuts people off when they speak..you know..for eternity....(grinds teeth).
(ever consider how something small and innocuous in this - temporary- life would become unbearable across the expanse of -forever-)
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 11:09 am
(April 18, 2013 at 11:00 am)Rhythm Wrote: Probably knew something we didn't..lol. Maybe god snores, or cuts people off when they speak..you know..for eternity....(grinds teeth).
(ever consider how something small and innocuous in this - temporary- life would become unbearable across the expanse of -forever-)
I would think that chanting "Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come" over and over again, forever (Revelation 4:8) would get pretty old after awhile. If you read on through verse 11, it makes North Korea look like a paradise.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 11:10 am
(April 18, 2013 at 10:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, viable.....LOL
Hell is a non-event drich, viable doesn't apply to hell or any alternative. The only thing on the plate right now is what you really wish would happen to someones corpse or "soul". As usual. So, you haven't given it any thought? Is that what you are saying?
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 11:12 am
Yes, that's precisely what he's saying.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 11:12 am
(April 18, 2013 at 10:44 am)Joel Wrote: Drich, assuming that heaven and hell are real places, I don't want to go to either of them.
When I die, I want that to be it - nothingness. I just don't exist anymore.
Given that we can only comprehend heaven with our own mind - and that is not an accurate view of heaven, I can say that I don't want to go to my version of heaven, because I don't want to live forever.
Also, if I can't comprehend it: I can't say whether or not I want to be there.
Have you experienced or even full understand the 'forever' God is offering? Then how can you say you do not want it?
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 11:14 am
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You're writing checks your god can't cash. Offering people eternities and invoking the shadowy specter of death and imprisonment simultaneously.
This is downright ghoulish behaviour Drich. You may as well whip out your fucking fork and start salting cadavers. No joke...I'm actually disgusted (and that takes alot).
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 11:23 am
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(April 18, 2013 at 11:12 am)Drich Wrote: (April 18, 2013 at 10:44 am)Joel Wrote: Drich, assuming that heaven and hell are real places, I don't want to go to either of them.
When I die, I want that to be it - nothingness. I just don't exist anymore.
Given that we can only comprehend heaven with our own mind - and that is not an accurate view of heaven, I can say that I don't want to go to my version of heaven, because I don't want to live forever.
Also, if I can't comprehend it: I can't say whether or not I want to be there.
Have you experienced or even full understand the 'forever' God is offering? Then how can you say you do not want it?
Have you experienced it? I haven't, so I can't say I want it. I can say I don't want it because I know it entails forever, and that is something I don't want.
I don't want to live forever: I can't think of anything worse.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Are we to assume that atheists, judged by the standards of the person who is doing the judging, automatically would go to hell?
Nothing abhors me more than the thought of a living forever, so like everyone else, instead of assuming I'm going to a magical fairy land of punishment, just be left alone and dead is enough. I've had my life, and its much more fulfilling and amazing knowing its finite.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 12:29 pm
I think that any eternity doing one (or only a few) things over and over sounds like hell, regardless of where you're doing it. An eternity of patting god on the shoulder and reminding him that he's just the bestest friend ever? I'd be tired of that after a few minutes. The alternative is apparently to spend eternity in a situation that's just as monotonous but only slightly more uncomfortable.
That's the hallmark of a supreme intellect-- to offer his creation the option of being slapped by his right hand, or his left hand.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 18, 2013 at 12:41 pm
(April 18, 2013 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: If you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong, then what would you suggest God do with those who do not want to serve Him for eternity?
The concept of hell is immoral as a place of eternal torment. Eternal torment for minor infractions as well.
So in this imagined scenerio I would say oblivion was a better choice.
However there is no "fact" of hell so I spend as much time worrying about it as I do painting my nails.
Clue: I do not paint my nails.
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