How the Torah predicted the coming of Mohamed

[Ryantology]

It is a logical proof
and till now nobody was able to refute it.

Isn't it a sin to lie? You keep telling this lie.

[Dragonetti]

Views not in the Koran do not rise above popular opinion.


That is not proof. Proof is only found in math and logic. Legal proof is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Where is your evidence that is beyond a reasonable doubt? Even relaxing the standard to preponderance of the evidence as in civil cases believers do not even come close.

It is a logical proof
and till now nobody was able to refute it.

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So... In your latest thread you clearly assert that the bible cannot be trusted. Doesn't that negate any support of Islam derived from the Torah or the Old Testament? It seems to me you enjoy shooting your own cause in the foot...

The Quran is not derived
It is revealed from God to Mohamed
But as he is the same God of the jews and Christians, it is very similar to the original Judaism or Christianity

Time did not exist before the Big Bang. How can a super natural being exist before time? Nothing can exist before time.
Read some Steven Hawkings please!

[Muslim Scholar]

It is a logical proof
and till now nobody was able to refute it.

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The Quran is not derived
It is revealed from God to Mohamed
But as he is the same God of the jews and Christians, it is very similar to the original Judaism or Christianity

Time did not exist before the Big Bang. How can a super natural being exist before time? Nothing can exist before time.
Read some Steven Hawkings please!

This is false
Science only analyze the universe not what is outside it
Logic is much more powerful than science, my proof proved that something outside the universe must have started it

The definition of time is not very clear to be used here.

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This is was found in an early version of the Orthodox bible then was omitted later!

[Fidel_Castronaut]

The proof of these answers goes like this
1-Prove God existence (done)
2-Prove that Islam is the true religion (still to come)
3-Bring answers from Islamic texts (Obvious if 2 is valid)

1. LOL. Delusions of grandeur much? You're yet to prove you even have a brain,mate.
2. If you've already proven 1 then surely 2 follows automatically? Unless you need to prove that Allah actually loves Muslims. Can you imagine what would happen if, hypothetically, you did prove god and it turns out he loved atheists, or even worse for you, those evil Jews? Imagine, Allah a Jew lover! You guys would throw a fit, and probably a few hand grenades!
3. This is irrelevent if you've already proven 1. Surely if you've proven your god we could just go and ask it.

Fail.

[Dragonetti]

Time did not exist before the Big Bang. How can a super natural being exist before time? Nothing can exist before time.
Read some Steven Hawkings please!

This is false
Science only analyze the universe not what is outside it
Logic is much more powerful than science, my proof proved that something outside the universe must have started it

The definition of time is not very clear to be used here.

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This is was found in an early version of the Orthodox bible then was omitted later!

So, I am correct. Quran is base off the Bible. Since it was written about 500 years after the Bible.

HMMMM!!!!!

[pocaracas]

Allah must be a bit more incompetent than Yahweh
Look at all the steps it had to go with humanity to teach them about itself:
- Animism
- Animistic polytheism (kinda like the egyptians, but more rudimentary)
- polytheism (vikings, Greek, Assyrians)
- monotheism (jews)
- islam


Did you see that yahweh was a bit more competent, requiring less steps to reach?.... actually, the shamans of old must have had it right.... they must have been the ones who came up with the concept of the transcendental world... they are the ones who must have had first hand knowledge of the divine.....
wait.... no, they were just in some trance... oh, if we see someone in trance today, we catalog it as a psychotic episode... oh.... never mind, man-made myth (even if the people were unaware that they were making it up).... and if that first one was man-made, then the ones that derive from it are equally man-made...
That means all the world's religions are man-made myth... O.o

[A_Nony_Mouse]

Views not in the Koran do not rise above popular opinion.

That is not proof. Proof is only found in math and logic. Legal proof is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Where is your evidence that is beyond a reasonable doubt? Even relaxing the standard to preponderance of the evidence as in civil cases believers do not even come close.

It is a logical proof
and till now nobody was able to refute it.

If your claims rest upon what I remember reading lots of people did and your response did not rise above, No it's not!

Do not forget
Views not in the Koran do not rise above popular opinion.

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So... In your latest thread you clearly assert that the bible cannot be trusted. Doesn't that negate any support of Islam derived from the Torah or the Old Testament? It seems to me you enjoy shooting your own cause in the foot...

The Quran is not derived
It is revealed from God to Mohamed

For which you provide no physical evidence.

But as he is the same God of the jews and Christians, it is very similar to the original Judaism or Christianity

And of course the Jewish kingdoms around Mecca and Medina were unknown to him even he wrote of them.

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Time did not exist before the Big Bang. How can a super natural being exist before time? Nothing can exist before time.
Read some Steven Hawkings please!

This is false
Science only analyze the universe not what is outside it

Yet some crackpot in a cave around Medina was told by an unknown entity what it was like.

Logic is much more powerful than science, my proof proved that something outside the universe must have started it

That is sort of a classic statement made by people who do not and cannot understand science.

The definition of time is not very clear to be used here.

Then eternity is out the window also.

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This is was found in an early version of the Orthodox bible then was omitted later!

How does a crackpot version of the bible support your claim whether or not the word is used?

[Muslim Scholar]

Then eternity is out the window also.

It depends on your definition of eternity!

[Dragonetti]

Again, you fail to see the Quran is base on the bible/torah.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Again, you fail to see the Quran is base on the bible/torah.

He's been conditioned and indoctrinated into thinking his holy book and his prophet is unique, when really they're just poor copies.

It's quite fascinating really. You could point at the Mona Lisa and say "that's the Mona Lisa", do all the tests that would prove that it was the original, and this guy would still deny it and say it was Guernica.

If it doesn't fit into his indoctrinated view of the world (seemingly 99% fantasy), the it must be false because that's what his Imam/family/friends have told him. Unless we agree with him, we're wrong. If reality disagrees with his views, then reality must be re-imagined.

There's no limit to the lies and self-deceit. Again, it's really quite fascinating.