Did They Not Pray Hard Enough

[Doubting Thomas]

I think not. If anything, tragedy increases our prayers to God!

If there were no strife in life, what need would there be to call upon Him?

Demonstrating how religion is just a crutch.

[Bad Writer]

This is very laughable (all responses)! When you've experienced God through Jesus.... and I mean personally, not through groups.... there is no way you can say what praying is worth! NONE!

People say the same thing about LSD and shrooms. You're not high, are you?

Prayer transcends: time, space and understanding. You won't know just what (far reaching) effect prayers have until we meet God.

We have to wait till we meet him to find out if prayer is effective? I thought Christians could see the benefits of prayer during their mortality on Earth. Which one is it? You can't have both.

I, and my friends & family have prayed for many, MANY things, and can't think of [one time] they weren't answered in "some way". Not ONE!

Oh, so we don't need to meet God to find out just how effective our prayers are. Glad you cleared that up in your next statement. I'm so thankful that someone as clear and concise as you is on this forum. You put PeterPriesthood to shame.

God doesn't work in our time. He works in His. If there is a secret to prayer? That's it! I'd use an analogy...but you just twist them up like a party balloon!

If you'd use an analogy that was appropriate and used in the correct context, then perhaps we'd put more stock in it. Jesus used better parables than you, and he probably wasn't even a real person!

If (at all possible) you could remove your animosity against God alone(not religious men, including me!) and ask, you will recieve.

He started it.

It takes equal parts of: "believing and asking". The promise is there!

You assume everyone who doesn't attain the desired effect from this promise is either 1. Lying about trying or 2. They didn't try hard enough. Where's your faith in your fellow man? Let me guess...your answer would be, "Even if they did try hard enough, God works on his own time." Bullshit. There's all kinds of promises/covenants that he makes with his people throughout the OT and the NT, and he always swears up and down that he'll uphold it. I'd say he's a goddamn liar! We have every right to be pissed at him, and that's being pissed at something that doesn't even exist!

Matthew 7:7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Platitudes and scripture passages won't get you anywhere with us. We like hard evidence, not this storybook bullshit.

[Anomalocaris]

there is no way you can say what praying is worth! NONE!

Sure there is. It's so obviously and verifiably works that you implicitly trust it in virtually everything resulting from modern science and technology that you touch. But in case of prayer all you can do is to scream to drown out what it says, for otherwise what it says would be too much for your feeble mind and needy, wish thinking personality to bear.

Prayer transcends: time, space and understanding. You won't know just what (far reaching) effect prayers have until we meet God.!

So why are you praying? Why not do any of the innumerable other things whose effectiveness is equally impossible (for you) to systematically verify? Just because you wishthink really hard it makes prayer better than any of the other mumbo jumbo?

I, and my friends & family have prayed for many, MANY things, and can't think of [one time] they weren't answered in "some way". Not ONE!

That's because what passes for "thinking" in your dull, flaccid mind would not pass for the same thing in people who actually know what thinking is.

[ronedee]

You'all can "assume", "guess", "think" and insult all you want.... like its some kind of path to understanding! But you just DON'T know! Or is it Won't?

Frustrating...aint it? No peace in your hearts.

And you won't know any until you profess: "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!"

Mt 11:25"...I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."-

[Bad Writer]

Your lips smack of shit. Try to get that mental image out of your head.

[Something completely different]

You'all can "assume", "guess", "think" and insult all you want.... like its some kind of path to understanding! But you just DON'T know! Or is it Won't?

What the fuck is your point???

"know" there is no such thing as "know" or "knowing" in something like payer.
If anything you can say "believe"!!! Cause that is the only thing that applies.
You cannot prove that there is some invisible force anywhere that somehow listens to that pathetic self serving nonsence that is talking to some invisble person pleeding for help that will never come!

Frustrating...aint it? No peace in your hearts.

Dont you fucking dare to make any kind of comment on what has place in my heart and was has no place there you catholic cocksucker!
The only frustrating thing here, is that I am a grown man who has worked himself through life to stand on his own two feet and is proud of it and than has to listen to some fucking sob talking about how prayer can get you through life.

And you won't know any until you profess: "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!"

Preach to the voices in your head asshole! Keep up the bible quotes and preaching nonsence and you will find yourself banned!
I stand in life upright on both my feet, and I amanged it without your god! In fact; believing in your god would have certainly be detremental to my life.

Mt 11:25"...I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."-

No fucking preaching. You should remember that!

[Captain Colostomy]

You'all can "assume", "guess", "think" and insult all you want.... like its some kind of path to understanding! But you just DON'T know! Or is it Won't?

Frustrating...aint it? No peace in your hearts.

And you won't know any until you profess: "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!"

Mt 11:25"...I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."-

Wow. No peace because athiests won't lick Jesus' balloon knot? I rather think the opposite. It's rather peaceful not feeling obliged to breathe in the lord's flatulence. (What's he eating anyway? BBQ pork rinds? Dayum!)

[Simon Moon]

I think not. If anything, tragedy increases our prayers to God!

If there were no strife in life, what need would there be to call upon Him?

An omniscient and omnipotent god can't tell for himself that there is strife that may require his assistance?

He needs believers to ask?

What a weak god you believe in.

And all you saying that God doesn't answer prayers? How would you know anything about prayer?

No, we say there is no prayer answering god.

It's like blind men commenting on a Rembrandt! No clue.

False analogy.

The painting can be demonstrated to exist, even to a blind man.







Afer you've spent time in fervent prayer and know something, then make comments. Until then...You know absolutely NOTHING.

[Doubting Thomas]

Frustrating...aint it? No peace in your hearts.

More condescending bullshit from a Christian.

I find a hell of a lot more peace in my heart (my brain, actually) since I realized that everything the Catholic church is peddling is bullshit and left without looking back.

[Bad Writer]

Condescension doesn't win any brownie points with the people you're trying to convert, ronedee. Only reason works with us, and you don't have any to give.