Attn: Theists - What would it take to prove you wrong?

[Silver]

God is the cause of all things that begin to exist.

You did not answer the question. What created your god?

[StuW]

*drops a pen to the floor*

Apparently things happen sequentially. If it fell upward from the floor to my hand that's still a sequence it doesn't matter which way it goes you have a series of events running along a continuum. Something of course had to get the entire ball rolling to begin with, and whatever that was was not in itself rolled by anything else.

Are you being intentionally provocative? A pen raising up into your hand isn't time flow it's a violation of Thermodynamics and Entropy. You obviously have zero understanding of the things you are trying to debate despite me telling you what to read.

whatever that was was not in itself rolled by anything else

Why? for the Obstinance of all that is supposedly holy WHY! there is no need for there to be a cause! How can you not understand this when you have obviously tried to at least read the basics of BBT. If you feel the need for a cause, why couldn't it be a purple elephant or unicorns?

I'm going to give up on this now as it's like trying to explain defragging a HD to my nan!

[pineapplebunnybounce]

I'm rather curious how many times he needs to repeat himself before he realizes what he's writing. One more time, Sword of Christ! Come on, you can do it.

[Jackalope]

I'm rather curious how many times he needs to repeat himself before he realizes what he's writing. One more time, Sword of Christ! Come on, you can do it.

You'd think sooner or later he'd realize that he's on a circular track.

...especially after it's been pointed out to him.


Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!!

[The Reality Salesman01]

Not gonna address anything I wrote to you in the other thread regarding this very argument?

I even granted the first premise. I just wanted you to stick with one definition of causation instead of changing it when you try to attribute the cause to God. Look-

KCA:
Everything that comes into being has a cause

The universe came into being

The universe has a cause

Cool.

This is what you change it to once you start trying to connect it to God:

Everything that literally pops into being from nothingness is caused by God.

The universe literally popped into being from nothingness.

The universe was caused by God.

The first premise affirms the consequent and begs the question. Please stop ignoring all the incredibly valid objections I continue to raise to this very old and silly argument.

[Sword of Christ]

You did not answer the question. What created your god?

If it something exists in reality then it can be sourced back to God which is the eternal foundation that brings forth created universes of matter/energy/dimensions and life/conscious beings. God is the ground of being and is eternal without a cause or point of creation in himself, he is the point of creation. God isn't something that physically exists.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

I'm rather curious how many times he needs to repeat himself before he realizes what he's writing. One more time, Sword of Christ! Come on, you can do it.

You'd think sooner or later he'd realize that he's on a circular track.

...especially after it's been pointed out to him.


Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!!

You'd think. Which is why everything has to be tested, however logical it sounds.

[CleanShavenJesus]

But it's possible for God to just be?

Yes because God doesn't physically exist and nothing made him begin to exist, he is the cause and everything else is an effect from a cause. It's not just me asserting this as my own opinion this is deduction. This is what we can know. You don't take this on faith you take this as logic.

Oh, yes. If God does exist, then you would be correct in saying this. But, you and I would still be taking this on faith, not logic. Because the idea of God (especially your idea of God) is not logical in the slightest. This omnipotent being that was never born or had a beginning, this omnipotent being that just is, this omnipotent being that controls everything, that is above all laws of physics, that you could never get any physical proof of because he is above us and our understanding.

You realize why there are millions who dismiss this as silly? You realize how stupid and nonsensical it sounds?

And your reason for believing in this silliness is because it's an answer. Because you couldn't handle the idea of the universe not having a beginning, or even with the Big Bang theory, you want to know what caused this big bang. So you fill the gaps in your knowledge with God. This is called intellectual laziness. "I don't know something." "God did it!" This form of thinking is what supressed scientific advancements for thousands of years. It's bad.

[Silver]

God isn't something that physically exists.

He manifested himself as physical, supposedly when he became Jesus. Therefore, he is a physical being and subject to your rule that he must have a creator.

[Jackalope]

You did not answer the question. What created your god?

If it something exists in reality then it can be sourced back to God which is the eternal foundation that brings forth created universes of matter/energy/dimensions and life/conscious beings. God is the ground of being and is eternal without a cause or point of creation in himself, he is the point of creation. God isn't something that physically exists.

So. Virtual particles. The above is why they begin to exist?

Here's what you do. Write "GODDIDIT" on a sheet of paper, and mail it to the Nobel Prize in Physics selection committee.

What can possibly go wrong?