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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 4:45 pm
(February 14, 2014 at 4:23 pm)The Good News Wrote: (February 14, 2014 at 4:08 pm)pocaracas Wrote: 
You sir... you played well
I salute you.
Here, next time use one of these: 
I wasn't playing anything. I will try to explain what I meant:
If I was to say to you that it is true that I am a human being that is typing on a computer, and you said "no, I don't believe it, you do not exist." Then I sent you a picture of myself but you still denied my existence, would I expect you to believe that I exist because I sent you that picture? No, I would expect you to believe I exist because I exist. If you don't believe I exist it is your own folly.
You fail at language.
A statement is true if it describes reality accurately.
Not because I believe it...
The bible describes some things which seem way out of reality, hence our inherent difficulty in accepting it as true.
It's the same difficulty we find when we read the Harry Potter books.
We thus require some actual evidence of the claims therein which are at odds with our currently perceived reality.
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 4:45 pm
I have an invisible pink unicorn on my lap. It's true because it's true.
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 4:45 pm
(February 14, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: No, but you should only believe in something if there is evidence for it.
I could give you evidence for something which is true, and you could outright reject that evidence. It wouldn't stop the thing that is true from being true.
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 4:47 pm
Quite right, but it would depend on the quality of the evidence, that is what would persuade me if your statement was true or not.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 4:51 pm
(February 14, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Quite right, but it would depend on the quality of the evidence, that is what would persuade me if your statement was true or not.
And that was simply my point that some seemed to think was absurd.
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm
(February 14, 2014 at 4:51 pm)The Good News Wrote: (February 14, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Quite right, but it would depend on the quality of the evidence, that is what would persuade me if your statement was true or not.
And that was simply my point that some seemed to think was absurd.
It's absurd that you would expect anyone to accept it as truth without evidence.
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm
And I think the point of some would have been that the evidence for your god you put forward, is not good enough
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 4:57 pm
(February 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And I think the point of some would have been that the evidence for your god you put forward, is not good enough
And they are more than welcome to hold that view. It doesn't stop God from existing.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things." (Rom 1:18-23)
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RE: The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 5:00 pm
True, but your belief that god exists, doesn't stop him from not existing. Glad we actually got somewhere in this discussion!
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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The simple truth
February 14, 2014 at 5:05 pm
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(February 14, 2014 at 4:23 pm)The Good News Wrote: (February 14, 2014 at 4:08 pm)pocaracas Wrote:
You sir... you played well
I salute you.
Here, next time use one of these:
I wasn't playing anything. I will try to explain what I meant:
If I was to say to you that it is true that I am a human being that is typing on a computer, and you said "no, I don't believe it, you do not exist." Then I sent you a picture of myself but you still denied my existence, would I expect you to believe that I exist because I sent you that picture? No, I would expect you to believe I exist because I exist. If you don't believe I exist it is your own folly.
You've already done this by rejecting science in an online forum, where the conversation is only possible because of science, and man-made devices.
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It is remarkable, too, that with the entire internet available, the only evidence provided for God's existence are quotes from the Bible.
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