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Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 19, 2014 at 10:05 pm
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i'm sure in Louisiana that it is already taken.
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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 19, 2014 at 10:07 pm
(April 19, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Heywood Wrote:
(April 19, 2014 at 7:47 pm)Losty Wrote: But you can put BAPTIST
I think that's the reason she's upset.

I understand why she is upset, but I also understand why the state would want to discriminate.

I could see the state banning the plate, "WHTEPWR" and allowing "BLCKPWR". The first is more likely to incite violence than the second.
(April 19, 2014 at 8:20 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: Heywood do you think "atheist" is a bad word?

No.

Are you seriously comparing atheism to racism?

Whether its a license plate or a bumper sticker, the person who applies for it accepts that there are dickheads out there that could possibly deface their property. It's none of the state's business.
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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 19, 2014 at 10:15 pm (This post was last modified: April 19, 2014 at 10:21 pm by Heywood.)
(April 19, 2014 at 10:07 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(April 19, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Heywood Wrote: I understand why she is upset, but I also understand why the state would want to discriminate.

I could see the state banning the plate, "WHTEPWR" and allowing "BLCKPWR". The first is more likely to incite violence than the second.

No.

Are you seriously comparing atheism to racism?

Whether its a license plate or a bumper sticker, the person who applies for it accepts that there are dickheads out there that could possibly deface their property. It's none of the state's business.

Atheism is not the same as racism. However atheism and racism can both induce violence. Just because they are not the same does not mean they can't share similar artifacts.

The state has an interest in not stirring up unrest. The plate is the property of the state. State property should not be used to stir up unrest.

Last, I'll repeat myself that the state should either allow all speech on its plates and accept the consequences thereof or not allow any speech on its plates. These games of deciding what speech is okay and what isn't allows too much room for abuse.
(April 19, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Losty Wrote:
(April 19, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Heywood Wrote: I understand why she is upset, but I also understand why the state would want to discriminate.

I could see the state banning the plate, "WHTEPWR" and allowing "BLCKPWR". The first is more likely to incite violence than the second.

No.

Hmm...I personally don't care why the state would want to discriminate. I just don't think they state should be allowed to discriminate.

So Louisiana shouldn't prevent a plate that reads "LA SUCKS" from being issued?
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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 19, 2014 at 10:26 pm
(April 19, 2014 at 10:15 pm)Heywood Wrote: So Louisiana shouldn't prevent a plate that reads "LA SUCKS" from being issued?

Of course not. Los Angeles does suck.
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Re: RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 19, 2014 at 10:35 pm
(April 19, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Heywood Wrote: I could see the state banning the plate, "WHTEPWR" and allowing "BLCKPWR".

That is just wrong. I can't believe you think that is alright.
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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 19, 2014 at 10:50 pm (This post was last modified: April 19, 2014 at 10:52 pm by Losty.)
(April 19, 2014 at 10:15 pm)Heywood Wrote:
(April 19, 2014 at 10:07 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Are you seriously comparing atheism to racism?

Whether its a license plate or a bumper sticker, the person who applies for it accepts that there are dickheads out there that could possibly deface their property. It's none of the state's business.

Atheism is not the same as racism. However atheism and racism can both induce violence. Just because they are not the same does not mean they can't share similar artifacts.

The state has an interest in not stirring up unrest. The plate is the property of the state. State property should not be used to stir up unrest.

Last, I'll repeat myself that the state should either allow all speech on its plates and accept the consequences thereof or not allow any speech on its plates. These games of deciding what speech is okay and what isn't allows too much room for abuse.
(April 19, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Losty Wrote: Hmm...I personally don't care why the state would want to discriminate. I just don't think they state should be allowed to discriminate.

So Louisiana shouldn't prevent a plate that reads "LA SUCKS" from being issued?

No they shouldn't.

"I'll repeat myself that the state should either allow all speech on its plates and accept the consequences thereof or not allow any speech on its plates. These games of deciding what speech is okay and what isn't allows too much room for abuse."

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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 19, 2014 at 10:53 pm
(April 19, 2014 at 10:35 pm)KUSA Wrote:
(April 19, 2014 at 9:34 pm)Heywood Wrote: I could see the state banning the plate, "WHTEPWR" and allowing "BLCKPWR".

That is just wrong. I can't believe you think that is alright.

I didn't say it was alright. I said I could see a state doing it.

Alright for me is no speech on plates or unfettered speech on plates.
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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 19, 2014 at 11:23 pm
(April 19, 2014 at 10:15 pm)Heywood Wrote: Atheism is not the same as racism. However atheism and racism can both induce violence. Just because they are not the same does not mean they can't share similar artifacts.

The state has an interest in not stirring up unrest. The plate is the property of the state. State property should not be used to stir up unrest.

Last, I'll repeat myself that the state should either allow all speech on its plates and accept the consequences thereof or not allow any speech on its plates. These games of deciding what speech is okay and what isn't allows too much room for abuse.

To be perfectly clear, atheism doesn't induce violence or unrest. Don't make atheism liable for the deeds of the moronic theists who might possibly deface private property because someone has the audacity to believe differently than they.

Also, let's not pretend that the state has a massive asset in vanity plates. The person the plates are issued to is liable for the damage anyhow. Add to that the probability that the plates are the thing someone would vandalize and not the car itself...

And all you have are ridiculous excuses for discrimination.
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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 20, 2014 at 3:39 am
I find the idea that unrest might be caused by announcing their Atheism frankly terrifying in and of itself!
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RE: Atheist Sues After NJ Rejects Her License Plate
April 20, 2014 at 5:33 am
(April 20, 2014 at 3:39 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I find the idea that unrest might be caused by announcing their Atheism frankly terrifying in and of itself!

Seems a pretty common thing in the US, especially in areas where the god squad reside.
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