Try and prove me wrong on this...

[Mozart Link]

I not only argued why my pleasure is more important from my own "selfish" perspective, but I have also argued this from another point of view (from a caring and selfless person's point of view such as yourself). That would, again, be that my family would obviously be more devastated knowing that I am intelligent and have no pleasure and that they would be happy and at peace knowing that I am retarded and am happy myself regardless of how hard it makes their lives in taking care of me and such.

So I ask here, why wouldn't they feel devastated if I were to be intelligent and such with no pleasure and why would they feel better knowing that I have no pleasure than if I were to be happy and them having to take care of me? They would obviously value my emotional well-being (pleasure) much more than the fact that they have the burden of having to take care of me and they would also value my pleasure over my intelligence and other things about me and such. Which is obviously why I would choose to be retarded and not cause my family the most devastation.

Therefore, from both my own "selfish" perspective and also from the "selfless" perspective of a helpful and caring person, my argument holds true for both of these types of people.

False dichotomy. Neither your parents nor anyone else you know or will know is utterly "selfless". And while I don't doubt for a moment that they would do their utmost to care for you if you could will yourself into a state of dependent, imbecilic "happiness", I also suspect that they would quietly resent your decision and wish that you had just got your shit together instead. Unless, of course, wiping your ass until the end of time is their thing. But I doubt it.

It's telling that in all of this you do not even seem to consider what your hypothetical decision would do to their plans for life and their happiness. It's all about you, isn't it? You don't seem nearly interesting enough to occupy center stage in this world.

Yes, I have considered as well what that would do to their happiness if I did choose to become retarded and I have come to the honest conclusion that they would be happier taking care of me if I were retarded and had all the pleasure in the world. Again, I do not see why they wouldn't be happier in that situation since family cares for your emotional well being more than work put upon them and if it's actually the other way around, then I wouldn't even consider them family.

[Losty]

It's people like you that make me just want to go out and be a psychopath and murder people with such opinions like you. Therefore, this is the reason why it is clearly obvious that life is about me finding my own path in life, my own sense of empowerment and such and not caring about others and their opinions (though I just wanted to at least argue and try to convince people of my own personal views on pleasure), but so far, it doesn't seem to be working.

This tastes suspiciously like word salad to me.

What is it that you're trying to convince me of? Please use only realistic examples. No hypotheticals.

If you don't mind

[Mystical]

What.. The fuck... Is this thread about?

[Dystopia]

This thread is about what happens if you watch to much anime without realizing it is merely fiction.

[Mystical]

And for that matter Mozart Link, what the fuck was your last thread about? And the one before that? I'm trying to figure out if you are mentally retarded, or if English just isn't your forte. Because..Not a goddamned thing besides your baseless murderous threat to unknown categories of people, has made any sense to me whatsoever.

Please. Enlighten me.

Do you speak english? Do you have a disability of some kind? Why are you here? Do you want me to call the cops on you if so please give me your name address phone number, thanks.

[Mozart Link]

And for that matter Mozart Link, what the fuck was your last thread about? And the one before that? I'm trying to figure out if you are mentally retarded, or if English just isn't your forte. Because..Not a goddamned thing besides your baseless murderous threat to unknown categories of people, has made any sense to me whatsoever.

Please. Enlighten me.

Do you speak english? Do you have a disability of some kind? Why are you here? Do you want me to call the cops on you if so please give me your name address phone number, thanks.

I am not asking for the cops to be called on me. All I am asking now is that people argue against the previous post I just made above.

[Mystical]

That isn't an argument that is a statement of opinion. Do you mean the post before that one? Because Losty replied to that one asking for clarity of your stance and you have failed to respond to her.

[Rhizomorph13]

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[quote='Losty' pid='723799' dateline='1407184360']
There is no portal.
There never will be a portal.

<snip>...nor is there a portal...

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I've suggested one. I was not being facetious when I said that peace of mind is a portal. I appreciate the wisdom of both of the full responses that I have quoted from, and I am not arguing. I am suggesting that dwelling on the 'crap' in life trains the mind to see only crap everywhere, even where beauty lies. One must train the mind to dwell on peaceful thoughts. Once properly trained, the mind will begin to see beauty not only where it lies, but also where the crap formerly held sway. Our minds can be changed, but we have to change them ourselves, willingly and actively.

The meaning behind my statement "...nor is there a portal" is echoed in your response to me. You said, "One must train the mind to dwell on peaceful thoughts." That is a process not a portal. You might say tunnel to happiness would be a better metaphor.

A portal is a quick transition between two things.

[Cato]

Yes, I have considered as well what that would do to their happiness if I did choose to become retarded and I have come to the honest conclusion that they would be happier taking care of me if I were retarded and had all the pleasure in the world. Again, I do not see why they wouldn't be happier in that situation since family cares for your emotional well being more than work put upon them and if it's actually the other way around, then I wouldn't even consider them family.

You are missing the obvious choice. You can become a self-sufficient productive member of society and make everyone involved happier.

[Rhizomorph13]

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[quote='Luckie' pid='723875' dateline='1407191193']
And for that matter Mozart Link, what the fuck was your last thread about? And the one before that? I'm trying to figure out if you are mentally retarded, or if English just isn't your forte. Because..Not a goddamned thing besides your baseless murderous threat to unknown categories of people, has made any sense to me whatsoever.

Please. Enlighten me.

Do you speak english? Do you have a disability of some kind? Why are you here? Do you want me to call the cops on you if so please give me your name address phone number, thanks.

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I am not asking for the cops to be called on me. All I am asking now is that people argue against the previous post I just made above.

What you presented wasn't an argument. As others have said there is nothing falsifiable so there is nothing to speak against. I feel no reason for all the ad homs in this thread. Your OP read to me like a person trying to figure out how to maximize happiness in life. I would suggest you should present some real situations from your life that could help enlighten us to what you are REALLY wrestling with.

Seriously, I'm interested.

Many of the posters in this thread seem to labor under the delusion that people are not egocentric. I know that we are, hence my posts.