To explain knowledge of God

[professor]

Robby.
Another way of what I am saying is you guys totally ignore anything that is historical for all recorded time (or current, for that matter) which goes against your world view- you relate all of it to ignorance or superstition.
Give me a break.
Then again, you are the first totally rational, naturalistic indoctrinated generation that has ever lived.
Stands to reason.

[Chas]

As for rejecting your destiny because you think it is demeaning, I think the opposite way- God is inviting goofy me into union with Himself.

You are counting your chickens even before imagining the rocks you mistakenly took to be eggs had hatched.

I'm pretty sure I never said that.

[Drich]

[quote='Drich' pid='775205' dateline='1413429628']
The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question

The 'proposition' is a method in which proof is obtained.
Again it is a receip. If one follows the receip then one gets what the receip provides, if one does not follow the receip then one can not expect to receive what the receip provides.
So no question begging here, just a strait forward question. Did you (yes or no) A/S/k as outlined in Luke 11?

You haven't addressed my issue with your argument, which is that you've stated that faith is the requirement for an answer, which is where the question-begging lays.

where have I stated this?

This is an assumption on your part. The only 'faith required is the same 'faith' needed to test any promise/primise.

What makes you think it's about volume? In your search for a wife are you looking to marry every man woman and child on the planet? Or is there just one who meets the criteria you are looking for?

Jesus uses this analogy in several places. The 'one' He is looking for is the Church.

If I want to marry even one woman, I've got to show up, with a stiff'un and a little dough. Your god isn't smart enough to reckon that the skeptics that you allege he himself created might be convinced by a press conference. By not showing himself, he knows that he damns millions to Hell. But hey, flashbulbs are annoying, right? He can't be bothered.

That's EXACTLY Right! You have to show up!!!
A/S/K is about showing up/the how and where to show up.

Your little god is entirely absent. Aside from the evil attributed him in your Bible, he is unworthy of worship for that reason alone: he is AWOL.

Maybe to you. God is very alive and active in EVERYTHING I do. I have accomplished so much with very little, and here again all I had to do is faithfully 'show up.'

its like talking to a box of rocks...

Are you not familiar with the term 'common man?'

None of the above are considered to be common. They were all set apart from the common men of their time.

By whom? Your god?

The word 'Holy' Literally means to be set apart (By or for the use of God) These men were set apart, meaning they were not common. As they were set apart from the common man. Every deity outside of Christianity ONLY Speak/interacts with 'holy' men/Set apart from the common man.

The purpose of Christianity/Christ dying is so that God can have a personal relationship with anyone who wants one. Again no other religion does this, as only the 'set apart' get to speak with their gods.

That's question-begging; we'll disregard that.

define the term and apply it as i did. just because you say it begs the question does not mean it does. To beg the question one must fit the defination. According to the defination I provided and the link that supports my defination, my statement does not beg the question as a logical fallacy. If you insist on using that term, define it and apply it other wise your objection will be dismissed/ignored.

By you? Why should I care one whit what you say? You clearly have no ability to explicate a coherent worldview.

By the bible. I know the simple atheist mind want to dismiss the bible so i can not use that as a standard of determining one's holiness. But, it was not me who brought the bible into the conversation. It is you who has done so. You did this when you used the names and stories of God speaking and interacting with those on your list. If you can use the bible to compile the list then it is a valid point of refrence to establish that those who God interacted with in the OT were considered set apart or holy.

The problem with your whole approach is you do not understand the principle of who or what a prophet or emmassary is. Maybe before you respond look up that term. Then understand anyone in the OT who speaks with or does the work of God is indeed considered 'holy prophet or emmassary.

You can natter on about your version of Christianity, a version which you yourself have admitted isn't mainstream, and yet you cannot persuade anyone of anything beyond the fact that you're incoherent.

No, they were men, they were allegedly spoken to by your god, and you have to reinterpret your own Bible in order to support your little whack-job corner of Christianity.

Ask any jew (Those who the OT was written) if Moses was an ordinary man or a prophet of God. Ask any 'mainstream' active/devoute Catholic if Moses was or wasnt a prophet of God.

Again prophets by nature are Holy Men Or 'Set apart' by God from the common man, for his own use or purpose. This is true across the 'religious' board. Meaning this is true in all religions except one. Biblical Christianity. Again Christ died so God could potentially interact with any or all of us.

You don't have a leg to stand on here, and what's funny your too deeply invested to admit your wrong/you don't understand simple terms like 'holy or prophet.' Yet you insist on having this conversation. If you wish to continue to keel haul yourself over known and verifiable truths I will be happy to oblidge you.

[FatAndFaithless]

TIL being called a prophet in a book makes one a prophet.

[Drich]

There is no blueprint. There is a vague and useless platitude that can be interpreted in any way to both validate a person's experience or dismiss it just as easily, as Drich has done time and again. How is it that you guys don't see it?

Not blueprint. OUT LINE. We do not see it as empty because we followed the outline as per Luke 11 and found God!

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What Are you talking about? Saul of Tarsus did everything he knew to do to seek out and serve God.

Paul was participating in the persecution and murder of early Christians.

Why did Paul do what he did? Because He loved God with everything he had and though what he was doing was right per his understanding of OT law.

For A/S/K to work in his case, the only thing required for it to work is sincerity, even in the face of horrible acts being committed by the person in question.

Again our acts have no intrinsic value in God's economy in of themselves. (It's not what we do it's why we are doing it that makes all the difference in the world.)

This is a perfect example of a self-serving explanation: if anyone of us points out that we were sincere in our efforts to serve god, you will find some way to dismiss them, even though Paul gets a pass for "doing everything he knew to seek out and serve god" when doing so included jailing and killing true believers.

Paul was seeking out God in his worship, and when God corrected him he changed with the correction. You all earnestly seek out God and when God moves to correct, you turn on Him because He is not granting your wishes.. Or He let something bad happen to you so as to get your attention, and rather than stop and turn to seek Him on his terms you all seem to turn on a 'God you can not respect or love.'

God literally blinded Paul to get his attention. what did paul do did he turn on God or did he turn to Him?

Everyone here has some big physical or emotional 'blinding event' happen in their lives, what did you do when that happened?

(look at your stated 'religious views'[/quote] under your avatars if you are confused.)

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Why would god create us as slaves that need to seek him? Is he really that egotistic that he needs to be reassured by willing supplicants of how great he is?

Seriously?

Was God to create a race of equals?

[FatAndFaithless]

Seriously?

Was God to create a race of equals?

Why not? Does he need our worship for some reason?

[Drich]

If God really wants me to know he exists, he knows where I live. I'll be waiting.

Oh F/F you say the darnest things.

Would you expect the President of the United States come to your house and personally ask for your vote?

Would you expect Col. Sanders to come to your house and ask you to goto work frying his chicken?
(just having some fun based on your avatar, you get what I mean)

If the people in authority in this soceity are not expected to seek out your approval, but rather can issue orders concerning your interactions with them.. Then what makes the creator of Anything somehow subject to your wishes your will?

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TIL being called a prophet in a book makes one a prophet.

No talking to God does.

[FatAndFaithless]

If God really wants me to know he exists, he knows where I live. I'll be waiting.

Oh F/F you say the darnest things.

Would you expect the President of the United States come to your house and personally ask for your vote?

Would you expect Col. Sanders to come to your house and ask you to goto work frying his chicken?
(just having some fun based on your avatar, you get what I mean)

If the people in authority in this soceity are not expected to seek out your approval, but rather can issue orders concerning your interactions with them.. Then what makes the creator of Anything somehow subject to your wishes your will?

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TIL being called a prophet in a book makes one a prophet.

No talking to God does.

No, actually, the people that want to attain authority positions do seek our approval, and if we approve, we choose them for those leadership positions.

[DramaQueen]

Jesus and I talk (dirty) every night, am I a profit

[Surgenator]

So your God failed your promises test. Therefore, he doesn't exist just like Odin doesn't exist.

He did not fail MY promise test.. MY promise test has one adhearing to his end of what is recorded in the bible. to date no one who says they sought God has actually followed the steps as outlined in luke 11.

Or are you telling me this so we can re-examine what it is you 'did for me jesus character?'

What??? How about you examine your own delusions before claiming I have one.

You JUST made the claim that you tested God and He failed. I am asking to 'test' your test.

If it is as you say then you should have no issue allowing to scrutinize your testing efforts.

My test was very simple. I asked (prayed by myself, prayed with a group, went to church, went to bible study, etc...) Jesus to come into my heart for over 15 years. He did not. Hence he doesn't exist.