Rape victim sentenced to death in Iran.

[Losty]

Exactly what is the evidence that shows she actually did kill in self defense? And not in spite, jealousy, or pure malice? If everyone's alibi is to equally given credibility without specific evidence, justice system can't operate.

How should we know? As far as I can tell she wasn't allowed any defense in court. Maybe she's guilty maybe not. We will never know. But execution is always wrong regardless.

[Dystopia]

Exactly what is the evidence that shows she actually did kill in self defense? And not in spite, jealousy, or pure malice? If everyone's alibi is to equally given credibility without specific evidence, justice system can't operate.

How should we know? As far as I can tell she wasn't allowed any defense in court. Maybe she's guilty maybe not. We will never know. But execution is always wrong regardless.

I think replacing the title with "Random person sentenced to death in the 21st century" would have a greater impact.

[Brian37]

Ok then. A bit of irony. Today on twitter I had a Muslim pestering me about how we were being so mean to Islam, sent him this link.

Not sure how this constitutes irony... Regardless of what islam has or has not done: the attitude of the west towards it remains what it is, and it is negative.

America is largely responsible for the Iranian Revolution, and now it leads the chant against Iran's theocracy We haven't done politically well oversees... maybe this 'petition' stops someone being executed, maybe it doesn't... either way, she's overall irrelevant: this will continue until Iran is once again a 'secular' state.

Here we go again. Um depends on who you are talking about. Christian bigots, who also hate the existence of atheists? Or liberals and liberal atheists who refuse to default to PC as a tactic because we want the East to have it's own Age of Reason and it's own Jefferson and Paine

Islam is still far to widely in that region stuck in it's own dark age thinking. Malala was shot for wanting an education. Ayaan Hirsi Ali grew up in Islam would agree that political correctness is not the way to help the oppressed.

Now please do not argue something stupid about us being meanies because we don't give religion a pedestal. No sane person reading this is suggesting, or should suggest government force of the end to any religion.

Some well intended atheists and theist on the left still have yet to learn the difference between the human right to claim what you want, and the separate ability to demonstrate the credibility of a claim.

I do not find claims that women are property credible. I do not find claims of calls to violence as a form of activism credible. Those people who claim those things have a source they justify those claims with. It was no different when Christians burned witches and justified slavery and bigotry. And only an idiot would claim it is not the case even today that far too many Christians still today justify denying gays rights because of what they read in the bible.

NO that is not a call to end religion, it is a call to stop pretending religion is not used as a weapon when it is painfully obvious it is.

Instead of getting upset with people wanting to stop religious bullying and religious bigotry, stop them from using religion or their holy books as excuses to justify what they do.

Get angry at the right people, don't get angry at the people getting angry at the right people.

[Aoi Magi]

If someone is about to be raped, should they wait till after they have been raped to take action?

And execution is a really bad thing, no matter the crime, execution should be avoided as it is a point of no return...

[Brian37]

Exactly what is the evidence that shows she actually did kill in self defense? And not in spite, jealousy, or pure malice? If everyone's alibi is to equally given credibility without specific evidence, justice system can't operate.

How should we know? As far as I can tell she wasn't allowed any defense in court. Maybe she's guilty maybe not. We will never know. But execution is always wrong regardless.

Amnesty International does not have worldwide credibility by making up fake cases.

Now again, you are stupidly focused on this one case and one women. The fact is the few Imams who hold the entire population hostage, regardless of your wishes or my wishes have laws on the books that condone putting rape victims to death. Morocco doesn't execute rape victims, but just a couple years ago a rape victim there committed suicide rather than marry her rapist, which is a law in Morocco.

That law alone alone is enough to question the neutrality of the court and her ability to have a fair trial.

No different than when Christians once had laws justifying slavery and separate schools even after slavery ended. Blacks were very often wrongly lynched and even if not executed juries and courts were often stacked with Christians to insure a conviction. So unless you are claiming Iran is a secular country and not a theocracy I think you better re think how "neutral" their government and laws are. If oppression can happen in a more open country like America certainly it can happen at a higher rate in a theocracy.

[Losty]

Is "rape victim sentenced to death" your title or theirs?

I never said the case was fake. I said, we don't know if she's guilty or not because they just found her guilty without allowing her to have proper defense. Take a fucking chill pill.

[Brian37]

If someone is about to be raped, should they wait till after they have been raped to take action?

And execution is a really bad thing, no matter the crime, execution should be avoided as it is a point of no return...

It is an act of revenge. But from a monetary standpoint to tax payers in the west is far more costly than life in prison. I can understand executing someone like Ted Bundy, but that is still a minority of cases and not worth having the death penalty in any case.

But to say we in the west who criticize Islam are nuts when Malala gets shot. Pakistan has a blasphemy law on the books which may currently lead to the state execution of another women for insulting MO.

Iran executes gays and just now executed a women for her own rape.

I am tired of being called the bad guy merely for condemning barbaric acts and absurd claims that lead to those barbaric acts.

[Losty]

She wasn't raped in this case. She didn't even claim to have been raped. When you exaggerate the circumstances that's why people call you out. You're hurting your own cause.

[Anomalocaris]

Exactly what is the evidence that shows she actually did kill in self defense? And not in spite, jealousy, or pure malice? If everyone's alibi is to equally given credibility without specific evidence, justice system can't operate.

How should we know? As far as I can tell she wasn't allowed any defense in court. Maybe she's guilty maybe not. We will never know. But execution is always wrong regardless.

Since Iran is under no obligation to make any trial public, why are we harping on the superficial appearance of this particular case?

[Brian37]

Is "rape victim sentenced to death" your title or theirs?

I never said the case was fake. I said, we don't know if she's guilty or not because they just found her guilty without allowing her to have proper defense. Take a fucking chill pill.

Holy fucking crap. You are stuck in the moment just like white bigots and even whites who are not bigots who cannot understand the outrage over Micheal Brown.

CONDITIONS AND CLIMATE are a problem there and there is no way under those conditions in that climate to claim she got a fair trial.

The law is on the books that the state can execute you for your own rape. That is not a neutral law, that is a sexist law based on the Koran. As such there is no way one can see the state or the court as objective or fair to women. Anymore than white Christians under segregation could be viewed as fair when those laws existed.