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(December 3, 2014 at 3:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're a sick sadistic bastard, but God loves you.
GC
He loves him, and the rest of us presumably, enough to cast him into hell to be eternally punished for not acknowledging him and submitting wholly to an invisible, unknowable master. My understanding of what love entails must be woefully off the mark.
People that wind up in hell do so for unforgiven sin, they choose to live with there sin. Unforgiven sin last forever and that's why there's an eternal punishment. God gives us the choice to live with Him forever or not to live with Him forever, in eternity there are only two places to live. One for those who sought forgiveness through Christ will be in heaven and, one for those who do not seek forgiveness, those who believe they are already righteous in their own minds. Jesus warned those who thought that way.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
December 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm (This post was last modified: December 3, 2014 at 4:22 pm by Strider.)
(December 3, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: People that wind up in hell do so for unforgiven sin, they choose to live with there sin. Unforgiven sin last forever and that's why there's an eternal punishment. God gives us the choice to live with Him forever or not to live with Him forever, in eternity there are only two places to live. One for those who sought forgiveness through Christ will be in heaven and, one for those who do not seek forgiveness, those who believe they are already righteous in their own minds. Jesus warned those who thought that way.
GC
You're still talking about ultimate submission. It's repugnant. You assert that hell is for "those who do not seek forgiveness, those who believe they are already righteous in their own minds". What am I to be forgiven for? I did not choose to be born into this world. I simply was. Was my birth a crime? If not, why would I seek forgiveness? There is nothing to forgive. Furthermore, you make those who live on their own accord and carry out good deeds and conduct themselves as righteous, moral, just individuals out to be already damned, presumably because they believe they can do this without god. Well, they can and I can. I don't need a supreme being to rule over me to be a fine human.
You can say that sin lasts forever, but there is nothing that warrants eternal punishment. In my opinion, if the prospect of eternal punishment is on the table, one ought to reconsider how loving their deity truly is.
(December 3, 2014 at 3:52 pm)Losty Wrote: No no. According to GC we cast ourselves into hell
That's actually a pretty common line of apologetics among christians. Helps them to deal with that adorable guy above, if he's not the one casting.
It's on the same lines the inquisition worked. The apologetic slogan back then was, the church doesn't shed blood. So they left the torturing and the burning to the secular authority doing their bidding.
The difference between what man claims and what God says is eternally apart. You act as if we use these things to make ourselves feel good, when all we are doing is giving you the truth from scripture.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
December 3, 2014 at 4:49 pm (This post was last modified: December 3, 2014 at 4:51 pm by Losty.)
(December 3, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: People that wind up in hell do so for unforgiven sin, they choose to live with there sin. Unforgiven sin last forever and that's why there's an eternal punishment. God gives us the choice to live with Him forever or not to live with Him forever, in eternity there are only two places to live. One for those who sought forgiveness through Christ will be in heaven and, one for those who do not seek forgiveness, those who believe they are already righteous in their own minds. Jesus warned those who thought that way.
GC
If I have wronged someone I will apologize and seek forgiveness from that person specifically. I will not seek forgiveness from god. If anyone should be apologizing it's him. I don't believe I am righteous and I see no need to be righteous. If god made me, then I am exactly what he made me to be. He doesn't make mistakes remember?
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(December 3, 2014 at 4:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: People that wind up in hell do so for unforgiven sin, they choose to live with there sin. Unforgiven sin last forever and that's why there's an eternal punishment. God gives us the choice to live with Him forever or not to live with Him forever, in eternity there are only two places to live. One for those who sought forgiveness through Christ will be in heaven and, one for those who do not seek forgiveness, those who believe they are already righteous in their own minds. Jesus warned those who thought that way.
GC
You're still talking about ultimate submission. It's repugnant. You assert that hell is for "those who do not seek forgiveness, those who believe they are already righteous in their own minds". What am I to be forgiven for?
The underlined is what I mean by those who see in their own mind they need no forgiveness.
Quote: I did not choose to be born into this world. I simply was. Was my birth a crime?
No and neither was mine.
Quote:If not, why would I seek forgiveness? There is nothing to forgive.
This again is what I'm speaking of, people who believe they do not need forgiveness, just remember Jesus warned people about this type of thinking.
Quote:Furthermore, you make those who live on their own accord and carry out good deeds and conduct themselves as righteous, moral, just individuals out to be already damned, presumably because they believe they can do this without god.
God says no man is good, why, because you will be judged by the perfection of God and the laws of Moses. Only one man ever accomplished a sinless life and He gave that sinless life so others could receive forgiveness. No one can live up to the law, read it and see how you've done.
Quote:Well, they can and I can. I don't need a supreme being to rule over me to be a fine human.
God ruling over you has nothing to do with living a better life, turning one's life over to God's guidance helps us to to so. Seeing yourself as righteous keeps you from seeing God.
Quote:You can say that sin lasts forever, but there is nothing that warrants eternal punishment. In my opinion, if the prospect of eternal punishment is on the table, one ought to reconsider how loving their deity truly is.
God is completely loving, He allows you to choose to stay separated from Him for eternity, He want force you to live eternally with Him. It's within the power He has, it's just not within His love to force you.
One thing you and many others seem to forget is it's God's creation and His purposes for the creation and the ways are set, no matter what you want to believe you can't change what God's will has purposed.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(December 3, 2014 at 2:02 am)dyresand Wrote: GC if you are burning in hell next to me or not burning i would say you did your best but it was not good enough to avoid hell and then laugh.
You're a sick sadistic bastard, but God loves you.
GC
Oh, this is just amazing. Why is he a sick, sadistic bastard, GC? For saying he'd laugh if you ended up in hell?
So, wouldn't that make the guy who created hell, sends people there eternally and so on... much much worse?
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(December 3, 2014 at 4:28 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Aaaaand how did you come to the conlusion that your scripture is actually what God says?
Or are you just going to say that it was "revealed" to you, and you "just know it is"?
I've never found God to lie to me, so why shouldn't I trust what He says and, He says the scriptures are His word.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
December 3, 2014 at 5:05 pm (This post was last modified: December 3, 2014 at 5:07 pm by Losty.)
(December 3, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(December 3, 2014 at 4:16 pm)Strider Wrote: You're still talking about ultimate submission. It's repugnant. You assert that hell is for "those who do not seek forgiveness, those who believe they are already righteous in their own minds". What am I to be forgiven for?
The underlined is what I mean by those who see in their own mind they need no forgiveness.
Quote: I did not choose to be born into this world. I simply was. Was my birth a crime?
No and neither was mine.
Quote:If not, why would I seek forgiveness? There is nothing to forgive.
This again is what I'm speaking of, people who believe they do not need forgiveness, just remember Jesus warned people about this type of thinking.
Quote:Furthermore, you make those who live on their own accord and carry out good deeds and conduct themselves as righteous, moral, just individuals out to be already damned, presumably because they believe they can do this without god.
God says no man is good, why, because you will be judged by the perfection of God and the laws of Moses. Only one man ever accomplished a sinless life and He gave that sinless life so others could receive forgiveness. No one can live up to the law, read it and see how you've done.
Quote:Well, they can and I can. I don't need a supreme being to rule over me to be a fine human.
God ruling over you has nothing to do with living a better life, turning one's life over to God's guidance helps us to to so. Seeing yourself as righteous keeps you from seeing God.
Quote:You can say that sin lasts forever, but there is nothing that warrants eternal punishment. In my opinion, if the prospect of eternal punishment is on the table, one ought to reconsider how loving their deity truly is.
God is completely loving, He allows you to choose to stay separated from Him for eternity, He want force you to live eternally with Him. It's within the power He has, it's just not within His love to force you.
One thing you and many others seem to forget is it's God's creation and His purposes for the creation and the ways are set, no matter what you want to believe you can't change what God's will has purposed.
GC
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Go back and re-read what you wrote? God sounds a lot like my ex-husband. How could a loving god create people to be a certain way and then make all these laws that are impossible to follow?
I don't want to hurt you...you make me do it. That's fucking disgusting.
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
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