Mormon: "There is no such thing as rape."

[FatAndFaithless]

It's a bit of a random tangent.

[John V]

Welp, there's not much I can discuss with someone who doesn't view functioning, stable human society as something desirable.

I do view functioning, stable society as something desirable - but I'm also able to recognize that a contrary argument can be made.

[FatAndFaithless]

What possible argument could be made againt a stable, functioning society if we're discussing human morality?

[John V]

What possible argument could be made againt a stable, functioning society if we're discussing human morality?

http://atheistforums.org/thread-9570-pos...#pid813498

[FatAndFaithless]

I'm talking about a human moral code, alpha, based on human wellbeing. Eradicating ourselves doesn't exactly jive with human wellbeing.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Are you really going down to the most reduced relativistic level where you really claim to not know why a functioning society is a good thing?

Yes. Actually I went there some time ago. Look at what we're doing to the planet. One could easily argue that the world would be better off without our functioning societies.

But wait -- I thought humans were god's children. How does he expect them to live without a viable planet, or without a fucntioning society?

Are you really saying that your god wants us to suffer in order that we might cling to him tighter?

[John V]

I'm talking about a human moral code, alpha, based on human wellbeing. Eradicating ourselves doesn't exactly jive with human wellbeing.

And I'm noting - again - that a moral code can be based on things other than human well-being.

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Yes. Actually I went there some time ago. Look at what we're doing to the planet. One could easily argue that the world would be better off without our functioning societies.

But wait -- I thought humans were god's children. How does he expect them to live without a viable planet, or without a fucntioning society?

Are you really saying that your god wants us to suffer in order that we might cling to him tighter?

Er, "One could argue..." is not equivalent to "I personally argue..."

[robvalue]

Is there a commandment I don't know about that says, "Thou shalt not answer any given question, instead answer another question or ask your own question"?

No wait, that's the politician's oath.

[John V]

Is there a commandment I don't know about that says, "Thou shalt not answer any given question, instead answer another question or ask your own question"?

No wait, that's the politician's oath.

No. For example, just a couple posts above, FAF asked, Are you really going down to the most reduced relativistic level where you really claim to not know why a functioning society is a good thing?

And I answered directly: Yes. Actually I went there some time ago. Look at what we're doing to the planet. One could easily argue that the world would be better off without our functioning societies.

FAF asked a valid question from what I wrote. PT OTOH included a non sequitur in his question. As noted, saying that "one could argue" something does not indicate that the person holds that position himself, and in fact indicates just the opposite. I responded accordingly.