Since Heaven and Hell are not temporal ..

[robvalue]

I'm not the person I was age 10
Every cell in my body's been replaced since then
Born again, the millenium edition
The soul is the only element that is missing
But what is a soul? It all depends on your definition
Everything we understand is confined by our language

This is from the song below, "Smoke and Mirrors" which was written by and stars my cousin His band is called Eat More Cake, the album Climb the Ladder, Live the Dream. Enjoy! You can find the rest of the songs on youtube as well. It's for sale also, at least it was, probably still is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyvbKbGCeWY

[Whateverist]

Yes, literally.

In this scenerio the concept of personhood has no meaning. If you extend that line of reasoning then there is no continuity of self, in which case there is no self to go anywhere at all.

Alzheimers is the surest path to this realization. The self is an illusion which, under the proper conditions we can lose the capacity of sustaining.

[professor]

The real you lives in your body, like you live at times in your car or house.
The essence of you is not your body.

"For out of the heart comes the issues of life"- this is speaking of the inner person, just like the song:
"I left my heart in San Francisco".
Surely the standard line of the Naturalists (that the bible is stupid when it talks of the heart- being that it is an organ in our body)
doesn't come out when they hear this song.
Or any other love song for that matter.
It only comes out when dealing with spiritual issues.
The heart would be the "Inner Man"- the emotions, love, hope, fear, admiration, loyalty- all non physical facts.
THIS is the real YOU which lives in a body. So, you are at least 2 in one.
God says you are 3 in one- like Him, who lives in both physical and spiritual realms.

[dyresand]

The real you lives in your body, like you live at times in your car or house.
The essence of you is not your body.

"For out of the heart comes the issues of life"- this is speaking of the inner person, just like the song:
"I left my heart in San Francisco".
Surely the standard line of the Naturalists (that the bible is stupid when it talks of the heart- being that it is an organ in our body)
doesn't come out when they hear this song.
Or any other love song for that matter.
It only comes out when dealing with spiritual issues.
The heart would be emotions, love, hope, fear, admiration, loyalty- all non physical facts.
THIS is the real YOU which lives in a body. So, you are at least 2 in one.
God says you are 3 in one- like Him, who lives in both physical and spiritual realms.

what OP was getting across by this way of logic the me from 3 weeks or a moment ago is dead. so the me a new me since souls do exist or if they do there is no way of currently testing it we know we are conscious we just brains in motion. so the me from 3 weeks ago is dead and gone and when my eventual death comes if there is a god he could never punish for anything.

[professor]

I take the opposite tact Dyre, I contend the Me that was, is the same as the Me that is now.
Both to OP and mine are non testable contentions.

[robvalue]

It's typical human arrogance to think we are so great, not even death and the laws of the universe can stop us. We must continue to be, somehow.

But here's the problem with that argument: it's bollocks. You goin' die boy, deal with it. Focus on this life and stop wasting it on imaginary shit that little kids wouldn't buy if they weren't being forced to by adults who know they have no other method to demonstrate it's worth than compromising a young mind before it can properly defend itself.

[Chad32]

The real you lives in your body, like you live at times in your car or house.
The essence of you is not your body.

"For out of the heart comes the issues of life"- this is speaking of the inner person, just like the song:
"I left my heart in San Francisco".
Surely the standard line of the Naturalists (that the bible is stupid when it talks of the heart- being that it is an organ in our body)
doesn't come out when they hear this song.
Or any other love song for that matter.
It only comes out when dealing with spiritual issues.
The heart would be the "Inner Man"- the emotions, love, hope, fear, admiration, loyalty- all non physical facts.
THIS is the real YOU which lives in a body. So, you are at least 2 in one. If your god existed in the physical realm, we would have found him by now.
God says you are 3 in one- like Him, who lives in both physical and spiritual realms.

The essence of me is my brain. This can be proven by the fact that if you mess with someone's brain, they can become a totally different person. You could get that man to completely forget about San Francisco, and everything about it that he enjoyed, without effecting his ability to function as a person.

[dyresand]

I take the opposite tact Dyre, I contend the Me that was, is the same as the Me that is now.
Both to OP and mine are non testable contentions.

you see if i die and there is a creator i can easily explain why atheism exists to god and tell god why he did shitty job as to why atheists exist. the fact being is were only human and we cannot punished for our actions like being a non believers because there is no evidence to the contrary to be a believer. you can say the bible but that is not real evidence as the bible was written by man then poorly translated along ages. then you have people who never meet jesus write in stories praising him and things he never did.

not to mention the idea of a heaven or a hell is just really dumb.. considering lots of things why should anyone worry about that? if it turns out and i thought about it there is no heaven and there is no hell that's the problem with it. if it does exist it must have a maximum capacity. and also why can't just throwing this out there why isn't there evidence of a heaven and hell.

[abaris]

Surely the standard line of the Naturalists (that the bible is stupid when it talks of the heart- being that it is an organ in our body)
doesn't come out when they hear this song.

The heart is a muscle to pump blood. The me is in the brain. Unless you want to take the old egyptian belief of throwing away the brain and imbalm the heart.

Also love and affection are brainy things, generated in certain areas of the gray matter. And btw, recent experiments showed that dogs show activity in the same areas of their brains when hearing the voice of their owners.

[Neo-Scholastic]

In this scenerio the concept of personhood has no meaning. If you extend that line of reasoning then there is no continuity of self, in which case there is no self to go anywhere at all.

Alzheimers is the surest path to this realization. The self is an illusion which, under the proper conditions we can lose the capacity of sustaining.

Wow! Whateverist. I would never have pegged you for someone who would find such a conclusion as anything other than absurd and incoherent. Having worked in hospice, I know that at the very end of life people appear like shadows of their former selves, but I never once doubted that they were nevertheless a continuous instantiation of the same human being, in the same way that an acorn and the mature oak are the same tree.

Even if someone does not fully manifest their form at any given time it doesn’t negate the necessity of their having a form to manifest. For example, just because various triangles only ever partially and imperfectly instantiate the form of triangular, that fact does not mean that triangluraity itself doesn’t exist.