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abaris · January 7, 2015 at 7:11 pm

(January 7, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let me say this though, the moon is moving away from the earth and at the rate it's moving away, the moon would have been so close to the earth 20,000 to 30,000 years ago gravity would have pulled it into the earth.

GC

That from one of your brilliant scientists? Now I do understand why they're just a little bit shy.

dyresand · January 7, 2015 at 7:19 pm

(January 7, 2015 at 7:11 pm)abaris Wrote:
(January 7, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let me say this though, the moon is moving away from the earth and at the rate it's moving away, the moon would have been so close to the earth 20,000 to 30,000 years ago gravity would have pulled it into the earth.

GC

That from one of your brilliant scientists? Now I do understand why they're just a little bit shy.

His made up scientists...

Godscreated · January 8, 2015 at 12:09 am

(January 7, 2015 at 7:11 pm)abaris Wrote:
(January 7, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let me say this though, the moon is moving away from the earth and at the rate it's moving away, the moon would have been so close to the earth 20,000 to 30,000 years ago gravity would have pulled it into the earth.

GC

That from one of your brilliant scientists? Now I do understand why they're just a little bit shy.

Being dismissive I see. Show me I'm wrong.

GC

dyresand · January 8, 2015 at 12:18 am

(January 8, 2015 at 12:09 am)Godschild Wrote:
(January 7, 2015 at 7:11 pm)abaris Wrote: That from one of your brilliant scientists? Now I do understand why they're just a little bit shy.

Being dismissive I see. Show me I'm wrong.

GC

http://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/nasa-sci...as-formed/

if you try to dismiss nasa findings... i have no idea whats wrong with you....

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 12:33 am by The Grand Nudger.)

Lets do some math then. At perigee, the moon is 363,104 km from the earth. At the current rate of escape, 3.8cm a year, 20k years ago it would have been .76km closer than it is now. 363,103.24km from the earth. Is this the point at which you reckon it would be pulled back?

-Lets add another 10k years. 1.14km closer. 363,102.86km.

That sound about right to you GC?

(I know, I know, none of this is indicative of the reality of the situation, for the orbital mechanics buffs amongst us, but neither is the claim, so......lol)

dyresand · January 8, 2015 at 12:31 am

(January 8, 2015 at 12:26 am)Rhythm Wrote: Lets do some math then. At perigee, the moon is 363,104 km from the earth. At the current rate of escape, 3.8cm a year, 20k years ago it would have been .76km closer than it is now. 363,103.24km from the earth. Is this the point at which you reckon it would be pulled back?

-Lets add another 10k years. 1.14km closer. 363,102.86km.

That sound about right to you GC?

Also tides would have been a bit rough last ear wouldn't it? I mean the moon controls tides and such i mean if it was so close then back in the biblical days everyone would have drowned to death... not even Noah could have lived though that. I mean no humans would even be around..... Facepalm

GC killed his own argument...

TubbyTubby · January 8, 2015 at 3:46 am

(January 7, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: You enjoy showing you arrogance or stupidity take your choice.

I don't recall stating anything yet, just waiting for your christian scientists.

(January 7, 2015 at 6:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let me say this though, the moon is moving away from the earth and at the rate it's moving away, the moon would have been so close to the earth 20,000 to 30,000 years ago gravity would have pulled it into the earth.

I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make here (other than show the upper boundary of ignorance perhaps). If this is something your friends have conjectured then they have demonstrated that they have no place in science.

This wiki link has a very good description of the facts, and also a good number of links to sources. Read it please before you reply.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_acceleration

Extract:
This mechanism has been working for 4.5 billion years, since oceans first formed on Earth. There is geological and paleontological evidence that Earth rotated faster and that the Moon was closer to Earth in the remote past. Tidal rhythmites are alternating layers of sand and silt laid down offshore from estuaries having great tidal flows. Daily, monthly and seasonal cycles can be found in the deposits. This geological record is consistent with these conditions 620 million years ago: the day was 21.9±0.4 hours, and there were 13.1±0.1 synodic months/year and 400±7 solar days/year. The length of the year has remained virtually unchanged during this period because no evidence exists that the constant of gravitation has changed[citation needed]. The average recession rate of the Moon between then and now has been 2.17±0.31 cm/year, which is about half the present rate.

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: January 8, 2015 at 10:57 am by robvalue.)

You said because it's not possible to test whether the earth is older than 50,000 years, it is impossible that actually is older than 50,000 years. So you think the actual fact of the age of the earth is dependent on our ability to develop technology to test it?

**Whateverist** · January 8, 2015 at 11:32 am

(January 6, 2015 at 4:26 am)Godschild Wrote:
(January 5, 2015 at 8:13 pm)whateverist Wrote: Oh my, GC. Don't tell me you are a young earthier?!

Why oh why would you read the bible that way?

I can accept a world about 50,000 years old, not really any older though and possibly younger. For evolutionist that's still a young earth.

GC

Yeah, too young for lots of sensible reasons.

I just don't see why you should allow yourself to be stuck with that interpretation of the bible.

**Jackalope** · January 8, 2015 at 11:39 am

(January 8, 2015 at 10:56 am)robvalue Wrote: You said because it's not possible to test whether the earth is older than 50,000 years, it is impossible that actually is older than 50,000 years. So you think the actual fact of the age of the earth is dependent on our ability to develop technology to test it?

Not to mention, that even if his claim were true (and it isn't), we have several independent lines of evidence that depend in no way on radiological dating to establish a minimum age of the earth.

The <50Ky claim is ludicrous.

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