'Drich, which of the millions of different christian denominations goes to Heaven?'

[Spooky]

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[quote='h4ym4n' pid='852516' dateline='1421855087']

According to the Quran and the bible, god fed the Israelites with manna falling from the sky.

Why did god close up the manna factory in the sky Drich?


It's turning a blind eye to 20,000 dead children everyday.

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Ok... Sooo if God's only people have ALL been cast out of the only region that could sustain that many people, and made to wander. who are the stewards that would step up and feed those wandering in the desert?

If there is no one then God steps in.

Here there are hundreds of millions of people who soceity controlls 2/3's of the world ablity to produce food.

So tell me again how this situation is the same as the exodus.

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That's a non-sequitur. This is like your dad, who has a fleet of cars and a bunch of chauffeurs on the payroll, refusing to give you a ride to the hospital and blaming your death on the slow response by emergency services.

nuupe

The Car is the point of responsiblity. in the analogy the car are the poor people you are neglecting.

Try again.

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Because.. god simply doesn't care

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If God did not care their would not be enough food to go around. Is it your belief the world can not produce enough food to feed everyone?

As it happens I believe the current population is close to becoming unsustainable. So to answer your question: Yes.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Hey drich, what do you think the 20,000 children that God kills with starvation each and everyday need to do differently?

What makes you think God killed them? What "evidence" do you have?

[Strider]

You guys have it all wrong. God is only responsible for the good things! Haven't you heard this? The bad things are all on us. God intercedes when he wants to, and his divine will is beyond our lowly comprehension. Why does he answer the prayer of the guy praying for a promotion instead of a starving child born into unthinkable poverty? That just isn't for us to know because God's glory is unknowable to us.

That or he's just a dick.

[vorlon13]

God is pleased with every touchdown Tebow makes, I don't understand the fixation with starving children.

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You guys have it all wrong. God is only responsible for the good things! Haven't you heard this? The bad things are all on us. God intercedes when he wants to, and his divine will is beyond our lowly comprehension. Why does he answer the prayer of the guy praying for a promotion instead of a starving child born into unthinkable poverty? That just isn't for us to know because God's glory is unknowable to us.

That or he's just a dick.

Those kids might have mocked a bald prophet ?

Or the Babylonians are too busy to stop by and dash their heads against stones, and God has to make do.

I don't think we've even scratched the surface of all the ways these kids could have pissed off god.

[Drich]

Again if you dad gave you a car and you wrecked it somehow is it your dad's fault for giving the car to you?

That's a non-sequitur. This is like your dad, who has a fleet of cars and a bunch of chauffeurs on the payroll, refusing to give you a ride to the hospital and blaming your death on the slow response by emergency services.

No. Where does the fleet of car play or or the chauffeurs or your injury or anything you said play out? The only non sequitur I see is posted in your name.

In my analogy the symbolism is as follows.

God=the father
Man= the worthless son who does not keep up with what he has been given
the planet/our less fortunate brothers=The car.

This is how analogies work tonus. I use a literary device to draw parallels between one illustrated topic and a real one. I set the term conditions and parameters. You don't get to come in and add your two cents until you address the points I laid out. If you do know that is the literal defination of a non sequitur, because your thought literally do not follow what is being discussed.

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Ok... Sooo if God's only people have ALL been cast out of the only region that could sustain that many people, and made to wander. who are the stewards that would step up and feed those wandering in the desert?

If there is no one then God steps in.

Here there are hundreds of millions of people who soceity controlls 2/3's of the world ablity to produce food.

So tell me again how this situation is the same as the exodus.

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So if your god creates all these children and the children can't feed themselves and no one else feels it's their responsibility, then according to your god will finely step?

I think we're there based on 20,000 children, that no one seems to care about, die each and every day.



Drich, before each of these starving children were born, jesus knew they would die a slow miserable death, right?

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What makes you think God created these children?

God created adam, from adam produced eve. Everyone else is a reproduction of God initial creation.

Yes God knew these people would die. How we define a death (good or bad) is not a primary concern for God. Why? Death our deaths are not an end to anything but our births into eternity. Who mourns a birth except those who are not ready for eternal life?

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Again if you dad gave you a car and you wrecked it somehow is it your dad's fault for giving the car to you?

If the dad knew in advance the car he gave you will without a doubt be an accedent then how can it not?

Your problem with omniscience.

Not sure what you are trying to say..

What if the dad knew the car would be in an accident?

If that's the case so what?

What would be the alternative?

See the benfit of omniscience is that one knows that a hardship strife or even a tramautic event like a car accident can benfit a person 1000 times more than living a sheltered or easy life.

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[quote='h4ym4n' pid='852516' dateline='1421855087']

According to the Quran and the bible, god fed the Israelites with manna falling from the sky.

Why did god close up the manna factory in the sky Drich?


It's turning a blind eye to 20,000 dead children everyday.

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Ok... Sooo if God's only people have ALL been cast out of the only region that could sustain that many people, and made to wander. who are the stewards that would step up and feed those wandering in the desert?

If there is no one then God steps in.

Here there are hundreds of millions of people who soceity controlls 2/3's of the world ablity to produce food.

So tell me again how this situation is the same as the exodus.

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That's a non-sequitur. This is like your dad, who has a fleet of cars and a bunch of chauffeurs on the payroll, refusing to give you a ride to the hospital and blaming your death on the slow response by emergency services.

nuupe

The Car is the point of responsiblity. in the analogy the car are the poor people you are neglecting.

Try again.

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Because.. god simply doesn't care

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If God did not care their would not be enough food to go around. Is it your belief the world can not produce enough food to feed everyone?

As it happens I believe the current population is close to becoming unsustainable. So to answer your question: Yes.

You believe...

What does human history say?

When their is a massive unsustainable overpopulation that the current infrastructure can not support this forces countries to expand, often times into choice areas where an existing population lives. This usally means war. If enough countries get involved and you have a world war. Which should cull the overpopulation for a generation or two. The next big thing is disease. Since I am a fan of the book of revelation I see maybe both happening in fairly short order. So fear not spookie 'I believe 'the cup of man's iniquity will over flow long before we all starve.

[robvalue]

Comparing god to a human parent is a really utterly dismal analogy. Not least because it makes god look worse than even the most abusive and uncaring human parent.

[Tonus]

No. Where does the fleet of car play or or the chauffeurs or your injury or anything you said play out? The only non sequitur I see is posted in your name.

The fleet of cars and chauffeurs comes into play to describe the vast difference in capability between god and humanity as a whole, much less any individual person. To pretend that god and any person or organization are on equal footing in terms of what they can accomplish completely undermines your analogy. As I said already, it's an attempt to clear god of his appalling lack of responsibility for his own unwillingness to act when he has far more power than is needed to fix the problems that you won't put on his shoulders.

In other words, the analogy misses such a huge component that it does not apply. It's either badly mistaken or deliberately constructed in order to shift the burden from the one person who could easily resolve the issue at hand, for no other reason than to excuse his lack of action.

[Davka]

No. Where does the fleet of car play or or the chauffeurs or your injury or anything you said play out? The only non sequitur I see is posted in your name.

The fleet of cars and chauffeurs comes into play to describe the vast difference in capability between god and humanity as a whole, much less any individual person. To pretend that god and any person or organization are on equal footing in terms of what they can accomplish completely undermines your analogy. As I said already, it's an attempt to clear god of his appalling lack of responsibility for his own unwillingness to act when he has far more power than is needed to fix the problems that you won't put on his shoulders.

In other words, the analogy misses such a huge component that it does not apply. It's either badly mistaken or deliberately constructed in order to shift the burden from the one person who could easily resolve the issue at hand, for no other reason than to excuse his lack of action.

Drich is pretending that God doesn't own the cattle on a thousand hills, or in fact much of anything at all on the Earth He created. Because only by positing an impotent God can he possibly explain away the pain and suffering of billions of innocent children.

"God would help if he could, but he can't because Free Will and chariots of Iron!"

[Spooky]

The fleet of cars and chauffeurs comes into play to describe the vast difference in capability between god and humanity as a whole, much less any individual person. To pretend that god and any person or organization are on equal footing in terms of what they can accomplish completely undermines your analogy. As I said already, it's an attempt to clear god of his appalling lack of responsibility for his own unwillingness to act when he has far more power than is needed to fix the problems that you won't put on his shoulders.

In other words, the analogy misses such a huge component that it does not apply. It's either badly mistaken or deliberately constructed in order to shift the burden from the one person who could easily resolve the issue at hand, for no other reason than to excuse his lack of action.

Drich is pretending that God doesn't own the cattle on a thousand hills, or in fact much of anything at all on the Earth He created. Because only by positing an impotent God can he possibly explain away the pain and suffering of billions of innocent children.

"God would help if he could, but he can't because Free Will and chariots of Iron!"

Funny how that conclusion won over "He doesn't exist."

Are theists even sentient?