Hate the belief, not the believer

[Godscreated]

I'm not going to go looking for those posts, if you do not believe me fine, if you do fine. I'm not trying to lie about this, but you be the judge.

I don't think you're deliberately lying. I think you're habitually uncharitable in interpreting other people's posts and frequently misunderstand what people are actually saying. So with you, my default on such matters is to presume you're mistaken. That you're willing to make such a serious accusation yet unwilling to back it up doesn't incline me to think my assessment is inaccurate.

The charitable thing for you to do would be to be very cautious in throwing around accusations of hatred, but if there is one thing being a Christian clearly hasn't done for you, it hasn't made you charitable.

And before you go on about how generous you are, see '2' below.

char·i·ta·ble/ˈCHerədəb(ə)l/
adjective
1.of or relating to the assistance of those in need.
2.apt to judge others leniently or favorably.

I'm not going back to find the quotes, they're there if you want to find them, but when someone says they hate me I accept they mean what they say and that's happened here more than once. Charitable, I've ignored more trash here than one person should have to read, I leave most of it alone and go on.

GC

[Hoopington]

I hate to be pedantic, and your spelling is generally OK but can you make a note that the word is 'won't' and not 'want' in this instance.

You always use the wrong spelling with this word and it sometimes makes the sentence appear to mean the opposite of what you intended. Other times it just reads as jibberish.

If you can manage this my life would be complete, as I would be the only forum member to have taught you anything, ever.

You set yourself above everyone, so your statements for me are only that, self elevating. I take what people write and figure out what their saying despite the mistakes and carry on, but not you, when you're left with nothing to argue you will find something to use to belittle others, good luck in life with this approach. I never claimed to be good with words and I probably never will, but when one tries to use their brain and find what was said they help themselves out. I will try and remember to stop and think about want and won't, but if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath, oops, two negatives in one sentence, twice, forgive me word master.

GC

I think, once again, this post proves quite the opposite GC. Your hatred for having someone point out that, for once, you are unequivocally wrong means that, as is your way, you go on the attack.

It's not a spelling mistake, you are using completely the wrong words....as in, the fucking opposite. He is actually helping you.... the "hate to be a pedant" opening was a help there.

[Brian37]

I hate to be pedantic, and your spelling is generally OK but can you make a note that the word is 'won't' and not 'want' in this instance.

You always use the wrong spelling with this word and it sometimes makes the sentence appear to mean the opposite of what you intended. Other times it just reads as jibberish.

If you can manage this my life would be complete, as I would be the only forum member to have taught you anything, ever.

You set yourself above everyone, so your statements for me are only that, self elevating. I take what people write and figure out what their saying despite the mistakes and carry on, but not you, when you're left with nothing to argue you will find something to use to belittle others, good luck in life with this approach. I never claimed to be good with words and I probably never will, but when one tries to use their brain and find what was said they help themselves out. I will try and remember to stop and think about want and won't, but if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath, oops, two negatives in one sentence, twice, forgive me word master.

GC

GC seriously, no one is out to oppress you. No one is out to outlaw your right to make whatever claims you wish. But claims are not human flesh, claims are ideas people hold. Protecting humans from violence or oppression does not equate to being blasphemy or criticism free.

"Belittle" is the charge believers hide behind out of fear they might be wrong. I have pointed out REAL PHYSICAL HARM done to minorities of all labels worldwide. Those such as Muslim minorities, or Christians or gays or atheists, live in places where leaving a religion can get you killed or the mere suggestion that the god the majority believes in is not real, can get you killed.

If you really think having your claims "belittled" is a crime on par with violence itself, you need to re examine your priorities.

You need to consider the reason we don't take your claims seriously is because you have no evidence for them. This isn't about you at all, this is about when any believer OF ANY religion, makes a claim. We are going to pick on that claim. Even if in doing such we don't sway people the act of dissent and scrutiny is important alone to keep any one label from gaining a pedestal. No label deserves a pedestal.

If anyone is bothered by our responses they also have the right to not post here. They have a right to go to other websites or create their own websites. You are not being hurt by our blasphemy. You may not like what we have to say, but that is not the same as having you arrested or murdered, and you have been on this website for a long time and should know the difference by now.

[Mister Agenda]

I'm not going back to find the quotes, they're there if you want to find them, but when someone says they hate me I accept they mean what they say and that's happened here more than once.

That may be. It isn't an implausible sentiment for someone to have, considering your behavior here, though I think it's unwise to invest that degree of emotion on an internet poster. I also don't find it surprising that you interpret hating you as hating Christians. That's one of your attitutdes that makes it easy to believe you've provoked someone here into actually hating you. No one gets mad at you because you act too much like Jesus. I won't ask you who you think hates you, because I would be very surprised if you didn't respond with another evasion.

Charitable, I've ignored more trash here than one person should have to read, I leave most of it alone and go on.

GC

The problem isn't that trash doesn't exist, it's that you interpret plenty of stuff that isn't trash as trash and have a fit about it. You're supposed to ignore the actual trash, it's called being an adult.

You know what I do when someone corrects my spelling or grammar? I thank them and try to correct it if it's habitual. If it's an obvious typo I won't take the correction seriously, but being willing to take some criticism on board has made me both a better writer and a better person. I love finding out I'm wrong about something, because then I'm not wrong about it anymore (if I can remember the lesson, my head is getting creaky).

[Minimalist]

I don't think many here actually do hate the believer, there is a lot here that say terrible things about their beliefs, but I don't think its the believe itself they point those words to, well I hope not, that wouldn't be very intelligent at all.

You might want to start reading what's said a little closer and without a tilt to the bias. They're several here that hate Christians and they've said so.

GC

You sanctimonious cunts bring it on yourselves!

[Losty]

Well, luckily we can discuss GC and his issues with atheists and just forget my OP. I probably over shared anyways.

[robvalue]

I wanted to add that I wasn't advocating fostering anger forever, just accepting it when it may arise naturally, and hopefully dealing with it healthily and allowing it to fade. I think by trying to force yourself not to feel angry, it can make it worse by internalizing it. That's just my experience though. I tend to let the anger come, and find a way to channel it out of me, and then move on. I used to bottle it up and it harmed me. I only tend to get angry when I become aware of someone harming another person or animal, especially a helpless one.

Everyone works differently though

[Godscreated]

Hate only harms you, your hate has no real effect on the one you hate, so why do it. For those such as ISIS our hate want change them and could possibly inspire them.

GC

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I'm not going to go looking for those posts, if you do not believe me fine, if you do fine. I'm not trying to lie about this, but you be the judge.

GC

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgement you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."

Who's judging, I was trying to help with a little advise, hate can become a crippling thing so why do it.

Yet on nearly every post I see of yours, this is exactly what you are doing. Where in his post does he even appear to be hateful?

You do this a lot, seems to me to be a little projection. You come onto an atheist forum, as a christian, and because shock horror, they question your beliefs......, on said atheists forum, you accuse them of being full of hate.

Hey, read all the post before showing your ignorance. I've had people to tell me they hate me, yes members of this forum, if you do not care to believe this fine. Many atheist here have stated they hate the Christian belief, I do not remember if you have, but it wouldn't surprise me if you have.

Being able to quote chapter and verse does not translate to understanding, it seems to me you have completely lost your books message.

That's because it convicts you whether you want to admit it or not, sorry if it does, no I'm not,[/quote] that's exactly the effect the scriptures should have on the guilty and all are guilty.

GC

[Mudhammam]

I don't think many here actually do hate the believer, there is a lot here that say terrible things about their beliefs, but I don't think its the believe itself they point those words to, well I hope not, that wouldn't be very intelligent at all.

You might want to start reading what's said a little closer and without a tilt to the bias. They're several here that hate Christians and they've said so.

GC

I disagree. People might hate some of the horrible things Christianity teaches and represents, and how people acting in the capacity of dogmas lie to themselves and others or prefer convenient ignorance to truth, but none of that means hatred is reserved for the individual, and many of us would love to see Christians recover their wits.

[Mister Agenda]

That's because it convicts you whether you want to admit it or not, sorry if it does, no I'm not, that's exactly the effect the scriptures should have on the guilty and all are guilty.

GC

That argument works just as well for the Bhagavad Ghita. Or any scripture. In other words, it's entirely empty. Maybe that's why Jesus is never depicted as using the 'you already know what I say is true and just don't want to admit it!'' approach.